Acura Announces The Come Back of Integra

[Klondike]

Originally Posted by Spectre_Cdn

That makes it a good buy then, no?

People (at least online fanboys who never actually buy new cars + not RS) have been clamouring for a Civic Si hatchback since the 10th-gen Si came out.

If you apply the Honda hatchback premium multiplier to a Si @ $33k, this is good value at only $2K more for a "premium" Si hatchback

But then again, the latest Si hasn't been a huge improvement over the 10th-gen on paper and it's value is under criticism.

Was talking to my buddy the other day and we pretty much agreed that it's a good Si but a terrible Integra, though the 10th gen Si lowered the bar after ditching the K engine.

Now the question is: how is Honda going to sell the Si if this thing exists?

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Traum

The vast majority of the comment section at various car mags seem to be very negative towards the looks of the car -- ahem... can't say I'm surprised. I wonder what the higher ups are thinking / saying now given the public's response.

Externally, of course they can't acknowledge that they fxxked up and that the car looks ugly. But internally, I would at least expect some level of honest discussion to salvage the poor response.

What do you think Acura can possible do to save this disaster? What do you think happened at the boardroom?

I don't think it'll matter as, at the end of the day, they're working within a budget for an expected sales volume (https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/acura-ilx-sales-figures/) and this thing is still going to sell in healthy volumes regardless of the feelings of enthusiasts.

In any case I think the anger/disappointment will get better for 2 reasons:

1. It's going to drive great. If the current Civic is any indication this thing will be a nice drive even in base trim.
2. The Type-S will drive even better and it's the one the enthusiasts want anyways.

Weren't Integra fans up in arms when the RSX was replaced by the TSX?

[Koflach]

That's it? I was really hoping that Honda would take a little more risk with their design. Also, why wouldn't they show off a 2 door hatchback version of this iconic car to get people excited instead of another 4 door sedan?

[supafamous]

https://jalopnik.com/hear-me-out-sto...our-1848057357

Now, we’re seeing the same situation with the new Integra. Acura announced a successor to their five-door luxury sport compact, and everyone’s up in arms that it’s a five-door luxury sport compact. Never mind that every Integra has been based on the Civic, never mind that it’s always been available with two rows of doors, never mind that Acura is skipping all the forgettable base models with this generation and jumping right to the equivalent of a GS-R.

No one can be disappointed that the new Integra isn’t the same as the old ones. You’re disappointed that it is the same, and that in being the same it ruins your nostalgia for the car of your youth. Sure, the Type R was special, but an upcoming Integra Type S is the worst-kept secret in cars right now. You all wanted a world-beating three-door liftback that revved to 9,000 RPM, and that’s a perfectly fine thing to want — it just isn’t an Integra.

He's got a point.

[twitchyzero]

where's the 3-door variant then which was what started the model?

a type S would be the GSR equiv, not a 1.5T

GSR came out 30 years ago basically what the author said isn't an integra-- a liftback with 8k limit

the marketing itself is contradictory: Ikeda said it stands out from a sea of SUVs/crossovers then next sentence say it's for the active lifestyle

[!Aznboi128]

This integra is more like this



Is that so bad?

[Traum]

^^ Nobody would call this a fat Civic because it isn't! More importantly, the lines are clean and sleek looking. It also has an engine that is 2 baby steps ahead of what the best Civic offered at the time (instead of sharing the same engine with the "top dog" Civic).

[Hakkaboy]

Originally Posted by Traum

^^ Nobody would call this a fat Civic because it isn't! More importantly, the lines are clean and sleek looking. It also has an engine that is 2 baby steps ahead of what the best Civic offered at the time (instead of sharing the same engine with the "top dog" Civic).

There was only one Civic engine at the time in North America. But in JDM land, the B16A was available around in 1989, so technically speaking, the base Integra had an engine that was lesser than the "top dog" Civic.

[toyota86]

If Honda wants to use nostalgia to sell the car by calling it the Integra, then it has to appease the crowd that feels nostalgic about the old car. This feels like a given. If Honda can't/won't deliver on the nostalgia, then why bring back a dead marque. Who is this car really made for? Might as well call it the Acura Potato. Guaranteed to generate more buzz and memes.

[teggy604]

Originally Posted by !Aznboi128

This integra is more like this



Is that so bad?

Not bad at all. Why didn't Acura use this or any other 4 door Integra in their press release video? Technically they could have use all 4 door Integras because each generation had one.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by teggy604

Technically they could have use all 4 door Integras because each generation had one.

Don't think there was a 4-door RSX? Unless you count the Element...?

[!Aznboi128]

^ or... you know the TSX?

[twitchyzero]

it was an euro accord

[SkunkWorks]

[JDMDreams]

So why didn't they just call this an Ilx? they wouldn't have received so much hate cuz the bar for that was much lower

[68style]

Or just offered a special anything? I mean the DA and DB Integras were always different/popular because it was its own platform and had a 1.8L engine instead of a 1.5 or 1.6 on the Civic........

It was a car you graduated to from your Civic at the time. This is just like... overpaying for a Si. Much like the CSX-S/ILX were... which only makes sense because it is indeed an ILX.

Obviously I'm no CEO and never will be... but I would have 2-stepped this... re-introduced the ILX as the car above is, then also simultaneously launched the Integra as a 3 door hatch alongside it with a slightly more powerful engine (different intakes/exhaust tune, doesn't need to be much) and slightly lighter weight... and then done a Type-S version of the hatch with a CTR motor...

You sell the ILX to all the people who don't care about performance and don't want to drive a Civic... and you have 2 hot hatches for the Integra enthusiasts + all the people who would have preferred the CTR wasn't a sedan?

[pherio]

So many "offended" people, you can't expect anything from any company no matter what they are promoting/selling.

There was no surprise what was revealed. Honda already discontinued the Civic coupe, why would they make a new 2dr Integra? Why would they put the type r motor in it and butcher the sales of a type r?

Acura is just building up hype so that people will talk about it, and that's exactly what's happening. They don't need "enthusiasts" to buy the car as there are only a handful of them compared to the "masses" of people that want a "vanilla" car.

If they called it an ILX no one would bat an eye and there would be no sales.

[teggy604]

^^Thats what is confusing. If it was for the masses of non enthusiasts ppl, why does it come standard with a 6spd. Nobody drives stick nowadays, especially with the advancement of semi autos. The only ppl that drive stick for a daily are enthusiasts. Let's just hope it comes in auto as an option, but you will have to pay a few grand more.

[68style]

They wouldn't be butchering CTR sales... there aren't any more current CTR's available.

Honda Japan simultaneously sold the CTR and ITR next to each other for many years including the entire EP3/DC5-R eras with basically the same engine in both. Tonnes of manufacturers carry engines across platforms of their higher and lower brands.

370Z / G37? 400 / Q60?

Camry / ES300?

etc. etc.

So many examples.

[pherio]

Originally Posted by teggy604

^^Thats what is confusing. If it was for the masses of non enthusiasts ppl, why does it come standard with a 6spd. Nobody drives stick nowadays, especially with the advancement of semi autos. The only ppl that drive stick for a daily are enthusiasts. Let's just hope it comes in auto as an option, but you will have to pay a few grand more.

Could be just to say "They tried" and Honda wants to discontinue the manual like every other manufacturer.

Last manual Accord was 2018 and even though reviewers praised it, it got discontinued. Enthusiasts & car reviewers can say its cool an all but they don't have the numbers to back up the sales.

[68style]

I drove one of those Accords it was possible to get one with a detuned CTR motor and it’s a very nice drivetrain.

The problem is, and it’s a personal thing for everyone, but those Accords were really ugly and huge looking.

[!Aznboi128]

Originally Posted by pherio

Could be just to say "They tried" and Honda wants to discontinue the manual like every other manufacturer.

Last manual Accord was 2018 and even though reviewers praised it, it got discontinued. Enthusiasts & car reviewers can say its cool an all but they don't have the numbers to back up the sales.

Just saying, the manual accord was pretty trash. You think a manual accord that shares the engine as the CTR would give you CTR vibes but it really doesn't. The auto is miles better.

[68style]

? I really liked it

[!Aznboi128]

As someone that owned manual versions of the Accord before, the 10th gen 6-speed lacked anything additional than the previous versions got. My 7th gen had better brakes, sways to make it more fun.

just my 2cents

[tofu1413]

the car is to be expected...

but the marketing guy that used the pitch to name it integra needs to get shot.