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TypeRNammer · 12-12-2021, 06:39 AM

Can't wait for the highlights to come out

Netflix drive to survive must be drooling out of their mind right now.

mb_ · 12-12-2021, 06:39 AM

Holy fuck I can't believe that just happened!!!

StylinRed · 12-12-2021, 06:42 AM

I thought the only chance Max had was Hams tyres popping

Who could've imagined the last minute SC

Michael Masi the real hero

SkinnyPupp · 12-12-2021, 06:43 AM

I can go back to not giving a shit about Formula 1.. FIA are an embarrassment to sport.

Will be curious to see what the explanation is... Lewis won that race, Lewis should be champion. They wanted meme boy to be the champ though

I can't believe how obvious this is!

TypeRNammer · 12-12-2021, 06:43 AM

What happened to Perez? Listed as DNF

EDIT: Could just imagine Toto smashing up another set of Bose headphones

SkinnyPupp · 12-12-2021, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TypeRNammer

Can't wait for the highlights to come out

Netflix drive to survive must be drooling out of their mind right now.

Gee, I wonder why they fucked with the finish to fit in a racing lap?

StylinRed · 12-12-2021, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TypeRNammer

What happened to Perez? Listed as DNF

EDIT: Could just imagine Toto smashing up another set of Bose headphones

They told him to pit right before/after the SC? And he was like "wtf really?" on the radio

Don't know why though

Great68 · 12-12-2021, 06:59 AM

Mercedes could have pitted during the safety car, but they played it conservative.

Some insane bad luck for Lewis.

StylinRed · 12-12-2021, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Gee, I wonder why they fucked with the finish to fit in a racing lap?

Like Brundle said they don't have to allow cars to unlap themselves, and Masi (the race director) wanted to let the season end with a race, so they had time to let some cars unlap themselves

And like he told Toto over the radio, it was to allow them to "motor race" as Toto had been bitching ab letting them race and not interfering

Toto even demanded no SC earlier when there was the VSC "for the race"

SkinnyPupp · 12-12-2021, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by StylinRed

Like Brundle said they don't have to allow cars to unlap themselves, and Masi (the race director) wanted to let the season end with a race, so they had time to let some cars unlap themselves

And like he told Toto over the radio, it was to allow them to "motor race" as Toto had been bitching ab letting them race and not interfering

Toto even demanded no SC earlier when there was the VSC "for the race"

They let SOME cars unlap.. Just enough to get Max and Lewis wheel to wheel. It was totally contrived. You can't support this if you believe in sport.. Yes some fucky stuff happens (like maybe Lewis cut a corner) but this is absolutely contrived nonsense.

Again congrats to Max, but this win has an asterisk beside it. He'll have to win it all again to be a true champion.

If you're a Max fan or Lewis hater, I get it... This was a fine finish, totally exciting last lap (but pretty much Max is going to win 100% of the time with new soft tires vs old hard tires). But I had absolutely no favourites in this, I just wanted to see the drama of a championship race. The finish was "exciting" but too contrived to get into, and it just pissed me off and made me remember why I stopped watching in the first place. Just too much politics and not enough real drama (I'm all for drama) or sport.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, I dunno

StylinRed · 12-12-2021, 07:07 AM

Skinny, could totally understand ppl being upset about it, but I don't see it as sinister as ppl are, it's just all part of the drama of F1 that makes it entertaining

Omg it's Rosberg, he loves the drama! His smug smile he couldn't wait to offer up his pov

Edit: button n rosberg offering some good insight

SkinnyPupp · 12-12-2021, 07:09 AM

Yeah I should take back about it being sinister, like they definitely wanted the meme guy to win, but it was definitely done for drama. But in sports you have to play by the rules, not fuck around to create drama. It's so phony, and makes your sport look like a farce. Also they did this knowing 100% (or maybe 99%) what the outcome would be.

Great68 · 12-12-2021, 07:22 AM

I was actually thinking that they would Red flag the race. Lewis would have been able to change his tires but it would probably have been another standing start.

StylinRed · 12-12-2021, 08:09 AM

Yikes merc are protesting that max was about a mm ahead of Ham for a second during the SC around a turn (before the restart)

TypeRNammer · 12-12-2021, 08:11 AM

"NO MICHAEL NO IT WAS SO NOT RIGHT" -Toto

Hondaracer · 12-12-2021, 10:19 AM

Hahahahahaha what a fucked up race wow

Hondaracer · 12-12-2021, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Yeah I should take back about it being sinister, like they definitely wanted the meme guy to win, but it was definitely done for drama. But in sports you have to play by the rules, not fuck around to create drama. It's so phony, and makes your sport look like a farce. Also they did this knowing 100% (or maybe 99%) what the outcome would be.

If you want to say the end was contrived, that first corner BS was just as bad. Typical F1 BS

I think merc was way faster than the red bull so it likely wouldn’t have mattered either way for the long run but I’m not entirely sure F1 conspired to let Max win, the drama was what they wanted but yea..I dunno..definitely a fucked up finish and I’m not sure there have been many races to reference in this scenario

The crash is what created the scenario

RCubed · 12-12-2021, 10:34 AM

Whatthefuck

sonick · 12-12-2021, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Great68

Mercedes could have pitted during the safety car, but they played it conservative.

Some insane bad luck for Lewis.

This. Merc could've pitted then it was under the virtual safety car and they didn't. They got cocky.

Before the virtual SC they asked Hamilton which tires he preferred if they had an SC and he shrugged it off casually like whatever. Then when the virtual SC came up and they didn't tell him to pit, Hamilton even said if that was a good idea they didn't box.

Which led him vulnerable at the end when max got TWO fresh sets of tires.

Poor decisions by Merc and they rolled the dice, ultimately left the window of opportunity for Max to win it. Ending would've been a non issue (for Merc at least) if Ham had a fresh sets of tires.

Hondaracer · 12-12-2021, 10:43 AM

Side by side with those new soft tires, you knew what was gonna happen

MarkyMark · 12-12-2021, 10:52 AM

I only really watch the Netflix show but it sounds like I'm in for a treat next season lol. From what I'm reading they are less concerned about rules and more about entertainment so at least it'll make for some good drama.

Definitely sucks for anyone who watches it as an actual legit sport lol.

Alpine · 12-12-2021, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Yeah I should take back about it being sinister, like they definitely wanted the meme guy to win, but it was definitely done for drama. But in sports you have to play by the rules, not fuck around to create drama. It's so phony, and makes your sport look like a farce. Also they did this knowing 100% (or maybe 99%) what the outcome would be.

To be fair, I feel like other leagues do this all the time too. Take a look at hockey. It might not be as egregious or obvious, but the winning team seems to end up taking far more penalties near the end of the game (eye test anyways) in an effort to bring the game closer. Given the $ being made in sports, the entertainment factor is just as important as the sportsmanship factor…

Great68 · 12-12-2021, 12:10 PM

You gotta give credit to Honda, from "GP2 engine" when they re-entered the sport to the only other championship winning engine to date, in the modern hybrid era. Shame that they're leaving.

Great68 · 12-12-2021, 01:01 PM

Both protests denied.

Here are the Stewards comments on the Safety car/unlapping incident:

Interesting line: "The Race Director also stated that it had long been agreed by all the Teams that where possible it was highly desirable for the race to end in a "green" condition (i.e. not under a Safety Car)"

Eff-1 · 12-12-2021, 02:27 PM

No issues with the FIA's actions here.

1. It's obvious the FIA did everything they could to not have the race finish under SC. I am assuming they radio'd the marshals to clean up as fast as possible. And I am assuming the SC was told to slow down and stretch it out as much as he could. I heard Lewis on the radio telling his team several times the SC was going too slow on the straights and I'm not surprised if they were to buy more time for the marshals.

2. If you can move lapped cars out of the way, then why wouldn't you?? That's how it's ALWAYS been in F1, lapped cars move out of the way. (Admittedly I didn't know the rules over letting some or all lapped cars through, but apparently the rules allow the Race Director discretion there, so what's the problem?)

Mercedes shouldn't be surprised at all that FIA did what they did to get the race restarted. If the FIA didn't make these efforts, and Lewis was behind Max, then they'd be crying the opposite opinion yelling to get the race going.

I believe FIA did what they should have done. NOBODY ever wants racing to finish under a SC (except maybe the leader lol) in ANY motorsport. That's the one thing NASCAR does better, they have a green-white-checker rule, and I don't know why all motorsports doesn't do the same thing.

Great finish.

Disclaimer - I was cheering for Max but my points are not about favoring one driver over another, it's more about whether the race finished under SC or green flag, and that's what I think this came down to.