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So my wife was telling me about conspiracy theories and that some people think Ukraine and Russia are actually in on this. I told her I can come up with plenty of weird conspiracy theories but it doesn't mean it's really true.
Don't ban me @Skinny.
I told her this is the shit I came up with:
1) It might be a ploy for Putin to be the bad cop, push Russia so far to one side of the spectrum that the country rebounds to become pro west and pro democracy. If he doesn't push it far enough the people won't have enough resolve to make it happen.
2) Ukraine and Russia are in on this, invade Ukraine to the point where the West would sell them the best weapons, so Russia has unlimited access to them to reverse engineer and copy all the tech in it, and also develop countermeasures.
I reiterate to her just because someone can come up with it doesn't mean it's actually true.
I'm the sort of person that doesn't like to engage with people because it just becomes a shit show, but I find it a lot more entertaining to engage with people so that's what I do. I just poke the bear to see what happens, makes life more interesting. It just blows my mind that the majority of people think they actually know what they're talking about, it's their level of confidence. The more you are confident about something, the more suspect I get.
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You got it backwards I think
Ukraine is lasting as long as it is because people are willing to step up and fight in numbers Russia didn't expect. They are doing this without direct help from NATO or EU (but that may be coming who knows) Their president is still there decked out in military gear, and they're willing to stand with him and fight until they are overwhelmed or Russia gives up. This is an easy one to get people to fight for, because there is a clear right and wrong. This is literally an evil action done by an evil person.
And yes there are Russian backed separatists, but not "over half" obviously, or the invasion would have been over after a few hours.
Even if they do succeed, it will be almost impossible to occupy Ukraine. That's why Zelensky is arming citizens, not to "make civilians into targets".
Been out for the weekend there's so many more pages but dragging this back
I wasn't stating that over half are separatist fighters
The point I was making is over half consider themselves ethnically Russian, so they don't hate Russia, and even support them by voting with an Eastern mindset instead of a Euro centric one, and Russia sees them and in fact all ukrainians as Russians, so they wouldn't want a messy war because they don't want to kill citizens
To inv4n counterpoint I meant by forcing citizens to fight by arming them (thereby causing their deaths) it would make Russia target citizens, which Russia clearly doesn't want to do, in hopes to pull the world in with actual boots on the ground
So my wife was telling me about conspiracy theories and that some people think Ukraine and Russia are actually in on this. I told her I can come up with plenty of weird conspiracy theories but it doesn't mean it's really true.
Don't ban me @Skinny.
I told her this is the shit I came up with:
1) It might be a ploy for Putin to be the bad cop, push Russia so far to one side of the spectrum that the country rebounds to become pro west and pro democracy. If he doesn't push it far enough the people won't have enough resolve to make it happen.
2) Ukraine and Russia are in on this, invade Ukraine to the point where the West would sell them the best weapons, so Russia has unlimited access to them to reverse engineer and copy all the tech in it, and also develop countermeasures.
I reiterate to her just because someone can come up with it doesn't mean it's actually true.
I do believe she's wrong, but the second point is a somewhat interesting concept.
I know I'm completely wrong, but from watching this "war", it really doesn't seem to be a real one. It's almost like both sides are half in it, half not. The casualty numbers just seem so low for this to be a real all out war. You bombs, tanks, and people fighting with urban centers, and yet we're hearing casualties within the dozens?
We hear reports of troops attacking Kyiv, and yet I see the president and Vitali taking selfies in fatigues, and doing daily videos on the streets? It doesn't seem like there any real sense of imminent danger.
It just all seems quite odd, as opposed to the actually wars and rampant death and destruction we've seen in the past, and most recently in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.
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I don’t think you’d find many wars in the last 20 years where wars had more than double digit deaths on an average day, but I don’t know about that figure. I’m just going in memory.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
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Just looked. Afghanistan was averaging like 4-500 deaths a month in 2020-21 from war related conflict, suicide bombings and such, so this definitely doesn’t seem less deadly. It’s only been like a week.
352 civilian casualties so far in Ukraine. Soldier deaths are unreported, so this is definitively a very massive war crisis, I don’t see how anyone could think otherwise. It’s quite frankly catastrophic.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Eastern Europeans being Eastern Europeans, pretty much.
Unfortunately true, sat with my Polish friend in Poland before in a bar in Warsaw and had him tell me we need to leave cuz he can’t stand the table next to us laughing and talking in Polish wondering what the skin of a black guy in the bar a few tables over feels like…
Nevermind just Eastern Europe though, two years in a row I drove around all of Europe for a month with 2 different friends... first year was with the Polish friend, second year with a elementary school friend who happens to be Chinese… totally different experiences, so many problems, stops for questioning, border issues, denials of service or straight up poor service on the second trip with the Asian friend... sometimes even in the same cities or locations… it got to the point I was just laughing at the ridiculousness of it all.
My favourite one by far had to be me walking my way into the LV store on Champs D'Elysses and having them lavish service on me bringing me carts full of stuff to look at while my friend had to show his passport to prove he's not from China and was limited to 1 item at a time hahaha he was so fucking mad the whole rest of the day after he could barely speak. Rightfully so.
Granted this was 2005... I would hope things have changed/improved... but I'm not super optimistic about that.
Another announcement from Turd about providing more military hardware for Ukraine:
"Yesterday, we announced that we would be sending new shipments of military supplies, including body armour, helmets, gas masks, and night-vision goggles," said Trudeau, calling the Ukrainian fighting "heroic."
"Today, we are announcing that we will be supplying Ukraine with anti-tank weapons systems and upgraded ammunition."
Defence Minister Anita Anand said those anti-tank weapons systems will be 125 Carl-Gustaf launchers, taken from the Canadian military's inventory.
Trudeau said the Canadian Armed Forces will provided airlift support to transport supplies and aid and to participate in other NATO efforts in support of Ukraine.
Ukrainian Sailor Tried Sinking His Russian Boss’ $7 Million Yacht and ‘Regrets Nothing’
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Angered by the ongoing Russian attacks in Ukraine, a Ukrainian sailor executed his own version of justice over the weekend, by attempting to sink a Russian tycoon’s superyacht.
Identified in local reports as D. Taras O., he was the chief engineer of superyacht Lady Anastasia. He was said to have watched a video on Saturday which showed a Russian cruise missile as having struck a residential building in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv.
The sailor believed that the missile he saw in the video was manufactured by a company owned by Alexander Mikheev, his boss and the owner of the Lady Anastasia super-yacht he worked on. The 55-year-old decided to take matters into his own hands at Port Adriano, a marina on the Spanish island of Mallorca that’s known for housing boats of the ultrarich.
The sailor opened a large valve in the engine room and then another in the crew members’ quarters. He also closed the fuel valves to prevent pollutive leaks and switched off the electricity. Then, he told crew members to abandon ship.
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