RUSSIA - UKRAINE - war or posturing? Definitely war

[Tapioca]

Articles from the Atlantic are usually high quality reads and that analysis hits the mark.

Russia will not back down (autocracies don't back down unless they're taken down from within) and we will see a pyrrhic victory. The prospects for Ukraine are ultimately grim, despite the unity among the West on nearly all fronts (except for troops on the ground in Ukraine.)

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by westopher

I’m no foreign policy expert, but perhaps Russia could use Ukraine as a financial connection to the west due to sympathy for the Ukrainian people affected by the imposed sanctions on Russia?
On another note though, it’s been cute watching the anti immigration anti refugee crowd suddenly care about people affected by war. Wonder if they will go back on their virtue signalling when we start seeing refugees come over in droves, or if it won’t bother them because they are white.

I just get the feeling that regardless of the outcome the greed will creep in and all these "so and so pulls out of Russia" will slowly go away over time after it no longer makes a great headline for their company anymore.

[westopher]

I’d like to see the formula that some corporations have that determines what dent in their profit a life is worth. I’d imagine plenty are down in the triple digits.

[Hondaracer]

Aeroflot looking to nationalize their fleet to keep it afloat while the owners of their planes are recalling their leases

Spend a few billion to buy all your planes to keep your national carrier afloat while people begging to pull money out of ATMs lol nice

[Acura604]

A 'NO FLY ZONE' over Ukraine would most certainly lead to all out world war... ...





European Council President Charles Michel said on Thursday that enforcing a no-fly zone over Ukraine is a NATO decision, but that it would be “one step too far” with a “real risk of escalation and a real risk of a possible third international war.”

“The EU is not at war with Russia. The reality is that Russia has launched a savage war against Ukraine. Ukraine is not a NATO member, and that’s why we must be extremely careful and cautious. We need to do everything which is possible, but taking into account that Russia has nuclear weapons, and it is very important to avoid a third international war,” he said in an interview with CNN’s Becky Anderson.
Michel said that while this was a decision for NATO to make and not the EU, it is important for NATO members to understand that it would be “one step too far."

“That’s why we are trying to advocate in different fields at the diplomatic level. We are trying to provide more support to Ukraine in order to have a ceasefire as soon as possible, and in order to make sure that we’ll be able to negotiate as soon as possible,” he added.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has been calling for NATO and Western allies to enforce a no-fly zone over Ukraine amid Russia’s ongoing invasion and aerial bombardment of its cities. So far, that request has not been met.

Michel said that although NATO is a “backbone for common security in Europe," European countries need to take on more responsibilities to be able to provide more capabilities on their own in the military field.

Zelensky has also put in an official request to join the European Union. The EU parliament has since adopted a resolution on Tuesday calling on the European Union institutions "to work towards granting" Ukraine the status of EU candidate country.

The European Council president told Anderson that Zelensky’s request was “very legitimate” and that the EU would work to asses the request as fast as possible, “in order to remain extremely united in this field," alluding to some differing views among member states.

He said in the meantime and short term, he has decided to invite Zelensky to the European Council meetings on a “regular basis” to “cooperate and coordinate politically with Ukraine”.

Michel also stressed that the West’s strength is in its unity.

“Mr. Putin has tried to divide the EU and the United States. He failed. Mr. Putin has also tried to demonstrate that we are not able to act. He failed. We were able to take extremely important decisions that target directly the economic sectors in Russia. This is extremely painful, and I feel that Mr. Putin is really surprised by our ability to act and be extremely united and firm,” he said.

In response to whether Western unity is in fact changing Putin’s calculus on the ground, Michel told Anderson that it gives the impression to Russia’s leader that this will not be a battle between Russia against NATO and the EU, because there is very broad support from the international community against Moscow’s actions.

“We are not certain it will work, but we are certain that we must try and we must use the tools we have in our possession," Michel said.

[Manic!]

Canada prepared to welcome an 'unlimited number' of Ukrainians fleeing war, minister says

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...ians-1.6371288

Lets see if the cons complain about this like they did with people coming from roxham road.

[sonick]

I welcome it, some of my best team members are ukranian / eastern european.

[Manic!]

Just talked to my nephew. Some of his hockey teammates are Russian. What are they going to do when the season is over? Will they be able to go back home or are they stuck in Canada.

[westopher]

I certainly hope that people behave better when it comes to the treatment of Russian people around the world who certainly don’t support this war. Sergei down the street didn’t invade Ukraine and doesn’t deserve to be treated like he did.

[CivicBlues]

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/russian-o...aint-1.5800027

People here pouring out bottles of Stolis and losing their minds.

At least Russians over here can pretend to be Ukrainian or keep their mouths shut since they pass for white.

If China goes for Taiwan it'll be open season on all East Asians.

[westopher]

Kind of like the people attacking Catholic Churches locally after the mass graves found at residential schools across Canada. Like, they aren’t sticking it to the Catholic Church as an organization. They are just hurting the normal people that go there, and the people that work there. It’s never the people in power who fucked it all up held accountable.

[Hondaracer]

Well…a lot of times in those cases both the (some) of the congregation as well as the priests that work at any given church have probably turned a blind eye to some heinous shit. I don’t really compare that to say, Apple uses Chinese slave labour so the guy working at the Metrotown store is bad.

There are ALOT of people associated with the church that are terrible people. I think it was in Boston or somthing where like 40-50% of the priests were found to have connections or covered up molestation etc.

I’d go as far to say that almost anyone, at any Catholic Church in the upper levels of power has blood on their hands. So it’s not that far fetched to go after the church in general. Also the fact the pope, the ultimate leader has never really taken any accountability, your local church becomes a point of contention

[westopher]

I wouldn’t go that far. I’m pretty against organized religion, and totally acknowledge that TONS of heinous shit has been done by them, past, present and future but wouldn’t consider some priest at a random church in Canada as complicit in the actions of the higher ups. That’s a whole different conversation that I’d have with someone like you over a beer to avoid the people that I have no interest in upsetting, being upset about it.
Again, it just comes down to good people being collateral damage when people attack organizations, countries and governments with misguided aggression.

[inv4zn]

THIS is what a disinformation propaganda looks like.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-invo...speech-1684280

Russia tried on Wednesday to delegitimize United Nations criticism of its invasion of Ukraine by calling into question the actions of other countries, including the United States' "overthrowing" of former President Donald Trump.

The U.N. passed a resolution Wednesday that condemned Russia's invasion and called for an immediate and complete withdrawal of all military forces from Ukraine. Russia forcefully rejected the resolution, calling claims the country was targeting civilians "fake" and saying other countries were hypocritical for supporting the resolution. Vassily Nebenzia, Russia's ambassador to the U.N., even said the United States, which supported the resolution, was "where the legitimately elected president of the country was overthrown."

This fucker can stand in front of the UN and just blatantly lie, literally gaslighting and projecting the UN. He also knows Fucker Carlson will spend 4 hours on this, and all the MAGA-shitheads will eat it up sowing further discourse in the US.

This is the "fake news" you need to worry about. And fuck Russia.

[Manic!]

[whitev70r]

Question about Russian oil. I know that it's a self-serving thing of the Western world not to impose sanctions on Russian oil. On this topic alone, I'd be willing to pay more for gas if it in anyway may contribute to the end of the invasion of Ukraine. Such small sacrifice compared to what the Ukrainian people are facing.

The question is this ... is Canada not self-sufficient when it comes to oil? We have Alberta oil fields. And is the US not self-sufficient with all their Texas refinery and all? You mean there is that much oil underneath Russia to be able to sustain their own country's needs and export so much to the Western world? Find this hard to believe.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Tapioca

Articles from the Atlantic are usually high quality reads and that analysis hits the mark.

Russia will not back down (autocracies don't back down unless they're taken down from within) and we will see a pyrrhic victory. The prospects for Ukraine are ultimately grim, despite the unity among the West on nearly all fronts (except for troops on the ground in Ukraine.)

It's a great article but doesn't take into account the effects of the sanctions.

Russia has a large population on their side. What they don't have is money and time (time is money, friend!). They will run out of rockets eventually - those aren't cheap. Artillery are cheaper but need to be closer to the target.

I think a possible outcome is that they take the eastern portion of Ukraine, and combine it with Crimea. It depends on whether Ukraine can put on a counter offensive... If they are supplied with enough hardware, it might be possible.

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Question about Russian oil. I know that it's a self-serving thing of the Western world not to impose sanctions on Russian oil. On this topic alone, I'd be willing to pay more for gas if it in anyway may contribute to the end of the invasion of Ukraine. Such small sacrifice compared to what the Ukrainian people are facing.

The question is this ... is Canada not self-sufficient when it comes to oil? We have Alberta oil fields. And is the US not self-sufficient with all their Texas refinery and all? You mean there is that much oil underneath Russia to be able to sustain their own country's needs and export so much to the Western world? Find this hard to believe.

The sanctions do include oil, or rather, do not specifically exclude oil. Shell and BP are looking at ways of exiting Russia, and Canada pledged to not buy Russian crude, although this is largely symbolic as we hadn't bought from them in may years anyway.

What you need to know is oil is not gas. Oil is refined to gasoline, among other things, but while the price of oil does have an effect on the price of gasoline, having a large reserve of oil doesn't always mean cheap gas prices.

Your next question is then well why can't we refine our own oil? And the easiest answer to that is capitalism. Canada has refineries, but often times it's cheaper to either buy crude or straight up gas from other nations than it is to tap/refine your own. Sometimes it's cheaper to buy refined gasoline than refining your own. There are logistics, commodity prices, demand, and a slew of a lot of things, each of which is its own separate topic of debate (pipelines, wages/profits, price gouging/fixing, etc., etc.).

Hopefully that answers you.

[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Question about Russian oil. I know that it's a self-serving thing of the Western world not to impose sanctions on Russian oil. On this topic alone, I'd be willing to pay more for gas if it in anyway may contribute to the end of the invasion of Ukraine. Such small sacrifice compared to what the Ukrainian people are facing.

The question is this ... is Canada not self-sufficient when it comes to oil? We have Alberta oil fields. And is the US not self-sufficient with all their Texas refinery and all? You mean there is that much oil underneath Russia to be able to sustain their own country's needs and export so much to the Western world? Find this hard to believe.

I can't speak to the US, but we import very little Russian crude.

It's not about our access to crude, but what cutting off Russia does to the global supply. Global supply goes down, global prices go up and Canadian crude is sold at market prices.

[Manic!]

Nuclear power plant attacked and on fire.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/euro...or-2022-03-04/

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Nuclear power plant attacked and on fire.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/euro...or-2022-03-04/

Sweet, sweet

[Teriyaki]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Nuclear power plant attacked and on fire.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/euro...or-2022-03-04/

Attacking power plants, especially nuclear ones should be prohibited by some sort of global agreement. But I guess that doesn't even matter if someone is openly threatening nuclear warfare...

[pastarocket]

Hilarious video of a Russian economist being interviewed in Russia.

The newscaster’s look on her face is priceless.

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[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Teriyaki

Attacking power plants, especially nuclear ones should be prohibited by some sort of global agreement. But I guess that doesn't even matter if someone is openly threatening nuclear warfare...

Everything they're doing is against all sorts of global agreements, except with other evil people

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Nuclear power plant attacked and on fire.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/euro...or-2022-03-04/

Seriously, what kind of madman would order his troops to attack a frickin nuclear power plant? And that goes for both Putin and the generals.