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sdubfid 03-06-2022 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inv4zn (Post 9056896)
Fucking morons.

Zelensky had a call with US senators, Ukraine specifically asked everyone on the call not to share shit on social media, for security reasons real or perceived.

Two republican senators proceed to do so anyway, DURING the fucking call.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...spite-requests

But I guess if your party allows heckling the POTUS while he speaks about his dead son, anything is fair game.

Give me a break, haven’t you watched any movies? With 240 people on a zoom call you have to expect nothing is private and the picture is still up you can see nothing is revealing. Anything important would be done with higher ups only not every Tom dick and harry. Useless article which did exactly as it intended. Ignore that garbage.

SkinnyPupp 03-06-2022 12:36 AM

I think someone here said their grandparents were in Odessa? This has me worried


This thread goes over the tactics:


TLDR: It won't be easy. He spoke about unverified reports of mutiny in the Navy, so they may have to use non specialized troops to land. If the Russians can't get ground support there in time, and Ukraine has strong defense with mines, drones, and anti tank rockets, it could be a bloodbath for the Russians.

AzNightmare 03-06-2022 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 9056943)
I think someone here said their grandparents were in Odessa? This has me worried


Quote:

Originally Posted by donk. (Post 9056853)
Got off the phone with my grandparents in Odessa

Hope his fam is ok.
Honestly at this point, either try to flee now or only stick around if you intend to help and fight once the city starts getting attacked.

The war is going to make it to every part of Ukraine within time. If the plan is to escape only when the war comes to the city, it'll be too late by then.

SkinnyPupp 03-06-2022 05:29 AM


Russians starting to protest more (this is from 1 hour ago)

pastarocket 03-06-2022 09:44 AM

More sanctions against Russia.

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/0...ssia-invasion/

Mastercard and Visa are suspending their operations in Russia, the companies said Saturday, in the latest blow to the country’s financial system after its invasion of Ukraine.

Mastercard said cards issued by Russian banks will no longer be supported by its network and any Mastercard issued outside the country will not work at Russian stores or ATMs.


“We don’t take this decision lightly,” Mastercard said in a statement, adding that it made the move after discussions with customers, partners and governments.

Visa said it’s working with clients and partners in Russia to cease all Visa transactions over the coming days.

“We are compelled to act following Russia’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, and the unacceptable events that we have witnessed,” Visa Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Al Kelly said in a statement.

Hondaracer 03-06-2022 10:13 AM

I love all the Facebook bozos comment on all these sanctions and actions as “cancel culture at its best!!” Bla bla bla

There’s literally nothing else to do, if you understand NATO’s position there is virtually nothing else to he done by sanction the shit out of the general population until they cannot function and force the govts hand. It can’t just be left unchecked because it’s “cancel culture” lol which it obviously isn’t

whitev70r 03-06-2022 10:14 AM

I hope there is a special place in hell for people like Putin and Hitler ... where they are waterboard tortured non-stop and worst.

westopher 03-06-2022 10:28 AM

Imagine being upset that someone was cancelled cause they started a war lol.

Manic! 03-06-2022 05:30 PM

Odesssa preparing for tanks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...russian_tanks/

6793026 03-06-2022 06:16 PM

I didn't understand what all this no fly zone meant.
So i did some research; Ukraine and Russia are both not in NATO. That explains it....

-Ukraine wanted to have NATO set no fly zone.
-Nato says f off; both of you are not part of the club.
-This is a war within your back yard....

If the declare, then if Russia flies in no fly zone, technically NATO has to send planes and attack?

I wonder how things will play out.

SkinnyPupp 03-06-2022 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6793026 (Post 9057004)
I didn't understand what all this no fly zone meant.
So i did some research; Ukraine and Russia are both not in NATO. That explains it....

-Ukraine wanted to have NATO set no fly zone.
-Nato says f off; both of you are not part of the club.
-This is a war within your back yard....

If the declare, then if Russia flies in no fly zone, technically NATO has to send planes and attack?

I wonder how things will play out.

Ukraine begging NATO for help constantly is being done the way it is very much on purpose

Tr1ll 03-06-2022 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6793026 (Post 9057004)
I didn't understand what all this no fly zone meant.
So i did some research; Ukraine and Russia are both not in NATO. That explains it....

-Ukraine wanted to have NATO set no fly zone.
-Nato says f off; both of you are not part of the club.
-This is a war within your back yard....

If the declare, then if Russia flies in no fly zone, technically NATO has to send planes and attack?

I wonder how things will play out.

No fly zone literally means what the name states. In order for NATO to actually enforce a no fly zone that will mean they will have to shoot down Russian aircraft and take out ground to air radar/missile sites which effectively means NATO getting into a war with Russia.

SkinnyPupp 03-06-2022 08:07 PM

This is apparently a more accurate map showing Russian controlled territory. They don't have much outside Donetsk and Crimea aside from roads (but obviously they can still shell civilians hard from these positions)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNNOZlqXEAAx7gf.jpg

pastarocket 03-06-2022 08:53 PM

A Ukrainian company hacked into electric chargers in Russia to troll Putin and Russia. LUL

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...309f802222.jpg


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Mr.Money 03-06-2022 11:18 PM

russian soldiers are beginning to blast at anyone for population control to surrender.


lot of reports of cars,suvs being shot.

SkinnyPupp 03-06-2022 11:36 PM

Yesterday they called a ceasefire to let people evacuate, but started firing on them after less than an hour. They're trying again today

68style 03-07-2022 12:00 AM

I was listening to some general on CNN talk about the possible amphibious assaults on Odessa... he had some interesting points about supply chain problems as in they are totally cut off from land based Russian forces if they attempt that and there's no way to get fuel and ammunition to any of that equipment, so it would be a pretty bad move actually to carry out that assault at this particular juncture.

SkinnyPupp 03-07-2022 12:02 AM

You should check out the thread I posted about a potential ambibious assault on Odessa.. Based on that, it is not favorable to the Russians, and if they were smart they wouldn't attempt it. USA said today that they don't think they'll attempt it.

But we know they're not smart, so...

BTW Ukraine hit a Russian airfield, destroying 30 aircraft POGGERS

Mr.Money 03-07-2022 12:09 AM

if North America is supplying weapons. 100% providing satellite based imagery with GPS locations.


there probably wondering how tf did they know.

whitev70r 03-07-2022 06:18 AM

Interesting report that Turkey will give their fighter jets to Ukraine and US will give fighters to Turkey in exchange. Creative circumvent.

Mikoyan 03-07-2022 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by whitev70r (Post 9057041)
Interesting report that Turkey will give their fighter jets to Ukraine and US will give fighters to Turkey in exchange. Creative circumvent.

Considering that Turkey uses F16’s, and Ukraine uses MIG's, this is highly unlikely.

It's not like Independence Day, where a biplane pilot can just hop into a F18 after an hour of instruction and fly and fight the plane effectively.

Earlier on, they were working on having other NATO counties that still have MIGs to transfer theirs over, but from all public reports the deals are dead.

Good read here: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ts-dont-add-up

And
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...29s-to-ukraine

pastarocket 03-07-2022 09:48 AM

-good article that mentions some details about the US shipments of weapons from an undisclosed airport in Eastern Europe to Ukraine.

U.S. General Mark Milley visited the air field last week.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/06/polit...nce/index.html

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley went last week to an undisclosed airfield near the Ukrainian border that has become a hub for shipping weapons, a senior Defense Department official said, seeing firsthand the multinational effort to get weapons into Ukraine amid Russia's unprovoked invasion.

While at the airfield, Milley met with troops and personnel and examined the shipment activity, the official said Friday. The site has become a beehive of activity in recent days, going from a handful of flights each day to as many as 17, the field's maximum capacity.
The airport's location remains a secret to protect the shipments of weapons, including anti-armor missiles, into Ukraine. The Russian military has not targeted these shipments once they enter Ukraine, the official said, but there is some concern Russia could begin targeting the deliveries as its assault advances.


While at the airfield, Milley met with troops and personnel and examined the shipment activity, the official said Friday. The site has become a beehive of activity in recent days, going from a handful of flights each day to as many as 17, the field's maximum capacity.


The airport's location remains a secret to protect the shipments of weapons, including anti-armor missiles, into Ukraine. The Russian military has not targeted these shipments once they enter Ukraine, the official said, but there is some concern Russia could begin targeting the deliveries as its assault advances.

The US and other NATO members have so far sent Ukraine 17,000 anti-tank missiles and 2,000 stinger anti-aircraft missiles, a senior US official told CNN.

Since even before Russia's invasion began late last month, the skies above Europe have been filled with military cargo aircraft of the US and others, particularly C-17s, the backbone of the US airlift fleet. The flights have been repositioning troops along NATO's eastern flank, but also moving weapons to the transfer points where they can be delivered to Ukraine. The pace of the flights has only increased.

US European Command (EUCOM) is at the heart of the massive shipment operation, using its liaison network with allies and partners to coordinate "in real time" to send materials into Ukraine, a second Defense official said.

The US and other NATO members have so far sent Ukraine 17,000 anti-tank missiles and 2,000 stinger anti-aircraft missiles, a senior US official told CNN.

The equipment being sent in is equipment on which the Ukrainians have already received training, including some "just-in-time" training in late December and early January, the senior official said, adding that the Ukrainians can "use proficiently" the vast majority of the military equipment being sent in.

The speed at which the US now delivers weapons to Ukraine is dramatically faster than just two months ago. Most of a $200 million package approved in late December was delivered within a month, though some ammunition has yet to be shipped, the official said.

Meanwhile, the complete $350 million package, which the official described as the largest presidential drawdown in history, should be completed within days or weeks.

Acura604 03-07-2022 10:20 AM

^^^ so then... the eventual shooting down of one or more of these cargo planes...it will happen...

then what???

murd0c 03-07-2022 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acura604 (Post 9057067)
^^^ so then... the eventual shooting down of one or more of these cargo planes...it will happen...

then what???

That would be considered a war towards NATO and then shit might really hit the fan.

pastarocket 03-07-2022 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acura604 (Post 9057067)
^^^ so then... the eventual shooting down of one or more of these cargo planes...it will happen...

then what???


As per murd0c's reply, it would be a war between NATO and Russia if crazy ass Putin decides to attack an Eastern European country that is part of NATO.

Any attack on a country that is part of NATO is an attack on NATO. Countries in NATO are bound by Article 5 of the NATO treaty to fight back against the aggressor:

The article, as the cornerstone of a treaty signed in 1949, establishes solidarity among member states and has been invoked only once. Article 5 is the cornerstone of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and states that an attack on one member of NATO is an attack on all of its members.


Shit would really hit the fan at that point if Russia attacks a U.S. cargo plane or planes carrying weapons for Ukraine.


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