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^ It's never going to be black and white, but if nothing is done, the signal is letting the world know that it's ok to invade your neighbours, kill a bunch of people, and take over their land. The concept of "what is the correct" thing to do is all over the spectrum, and you might think it's nbd because it's so far away from you, however for countries in the Europe, especially the Balkan states, Poland, etc, they're next if they allow Ukraine to fall. Putin has already iterated that they should be falling under his influence of power and has no qualms about invading and flexing that power.
None of the countries will or want to get involved directly because no one wants to start a 3rd world war, not even Putin and China, but proxy wars have been ranging all over the place in the last decade.
What if your neighbours two houses over tried to take over your neighbour's house, tried to kill the owner and the kids? How would you feel? You'd expect the police to get involved, but there's no credible police force in the world, and all there is are other neighbours to stop the aggressive one. It's happening right next door, the fear that you are next is going to be there.
No no ... don't put words in my mouth or go off on your stupid Skinnydawg mindset, arguments, and ways. Gawd, you can be such a d*ck.
It's a very shitty situation. When I say 'some' ... I don't necessarily mean world leaders, like presidents or prime ministers, I mean those at high position of military war machine production. They can't do shit all to end it but I think they secretly want it to go on and on.
No no ... don't put words in my mouth or go off on your stupid Skinnydawg mindset, arguments, and ways. Gawd, you can be such a d*ck.
It's a very shitty situation. When I say 'some' ... I don't necessarily mean world leaders, like presidents or prime ministers, I mean those at high position of military war machine production. They can't do shit all to end it but I think they secretly want it to go on and on.
Make your point then instead of resorting to personal attacks.
Also I'm not the one who came up with that interpretation, that was Evo. I agreed with him though, because you aren't being very clear on what you're trying to say.
So what are you saying exactly? "Some" people are keeping the war alive when really it could be ended? How?
Of course some people benefit from war. That has never and will never change. But you're suggesting there's a conspiracy from "nefarious forces" to keep it going. How is that?
LOL you two are hilarious. I wanna see a Revscene sponsored mud wrestling match between you both one of these days, I'd pay beaucoup bucks for it
I get what White is saying, I think it's being slightly misinterpreted. At $100 billion thus far, it's a tidy sum going to the military industrial complex, money of which you certainly see people feeling quite unhappy about when meanwhile government can't seem to allocate a fart to other needed programs and projects internally.
At the same time $100 billion is a drop in the bucket to the US's overall fiscal budget, so people might be making a mountain out of a molehill on that.
theres no winning hand here for us. Either we dont stand up to tyranny and all this bullshit about alliances/freedom/western values are just a farce, or we do what we can to help without causing crazy old man Putin to start throwing nukes
In all honesty, i don't think just giving them weapons is doing that much. What they need to do is ASSASSINATE OLD MAN PUTIN. But that'll leave a huge power vacuum in Russia and maybe they cant guarantee the new leader will be pro-west.
LOL you two are hilarious. I wanna see a Revscene sponsored mud wrestling match between you both one of these days, I'd pay beaucoup bucks for it
I get what White is saying, I think it's being slightly misinterpreted. At $100 billion thus far, it's a tidy sum going to the military industrial complex, money of which you certainly see people feeling quite unhappy about when meanwhile government can't seem to allocate a fart to other needed programs and projects internally.
At the same time $100 billion is a drop in the bucket to the US's overall fiscal budget, so people might be making a mountain out of a molehill on that.
He's always so mean to me, I don't get it
And yes the military complex is loving there being a war. But who are these people who are keeping the war going, other than fucking Russia?
I have no opinion on this side of things, but I will say there's definitely quite a few benefits for western countries in keeping Russia a) busy and b) economically strapped and Russia is falling for it hook, line and sinker
^ It's never going to be black and white, but if nothing is done, the signal is letting the world know that it's ok to invade your neighbours, kill a bunch of people, and take over their land. The concept of "what is the correct" thing to do is all over the spectrum, and you might think it's nbd because it's so far away from you, however for countries in the Europe, especially the Balkan states, Poland, etc, they're next if they allow Ukraine to fall. Putin has already iterated that they should be falling under his influence of power and has no qualms about invading and flexing that power.
I guess is that what NATO is for. At the very least, if any NATO country gets attacked, they get jumped by the rest of the other NATO countries? In theory anyway. But that's a strong deterrent.
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Not every country is covered by NATO and it's only a small part of the world. NATO is only really covering Europe + US Canada, no one else is part of it, yet you see why Sweden and Finland were both scrambling to join after decades non-alignment.
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LOL@ Sweden and Finlandia.............
No shits given until all of a sudden, they're worried.
Like that episode from Star Trek Voyager (stuck in some void where they can't escape alone). United we stand, divided we fall. Except in Canada. Those franchies can leave if they want to............ they're like the retarded brother in the family. Still, they're family, I guess. The rest of us put up with them, gulolololol.
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Not every country is covered by NATO and it's only a small part of the world. NATO is only really covering Europe + US Canada, no one else is part of it, yet you see why Sweden and Finland were both scrambling to join after decades non-alignment.
The first and only time NATO has ever invoked article 5 was by the USA after 9/11.
The alliance is really only as good as a country's word, if Putin wants to take a slice of Lithuania and/or Poland (I imagine he has aspirations of a land corridor to Kaliningrad) are Ricky and Bobby in Alabama really going to give enough of a shit?
Hell, there's a pretty good chance that Trump would have pulled out of NATO altogether.
Better to make the stand now and diminish a fascist belligerent's ability to make more war and world instability in the first place. It's not even costing any NATO soldiers' lives. Extremely good value for money
FYI, Canada Post has a semi postal stamp issue that is on that link. It was released some time ago. A semi postal is a way in which you can support a cause. Sometimes it's for mental health issues, sometimes it's for humanitarian aid. In any case, there's a surcharge involved of a few cents. Not sure how much it has raised, but every bit helps, right?
Here we go again. Those Syrians worked out real fucking well last time. Let’s do more of this.
Where’s my batch of Ukrainian women ?!!!!
It's interesting Badhobz mentioned this because I think just last week, my kid's class has taken in a new (transfer) student from Ukraine. We ran into them on the way home, with the (Ukrainian) mom walking 2 kids home.
As a result of the new student, my kid has asked me a couple of questions about Ukraine / Russia:
Daddy, XXX says he hates Russia. Why does he think that?
Daddy, why is Putin so bad/nasty?
Daddy, why is Russia bullying Ukraine?
I told my kid to be extra friendly to the Ukrainian kid, and be his friend and play with him if that's what he (my kid) wants to do.
I hope those 2 kids can find some peace and a stable life while they are here.
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