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Even as someone who likes their food on the spicier side, a plate of perogies and sour cream with a side grilled onions and a cup of borscht can really hit the spot especially on days like these.
As we pass the 2nd yr anniversary of this war, things are not looking like there is any end in sight. Can't keep on going forever, too much $$ down the pit, endless military support, people dying, Ukrainians displaced.
So here is my proposal to negotiate an end to the war:
- Russia keeps the geographical area that it capture from Ukraine, approx 18-20%.
- Ukraine gets to join NATO
Call it a day. Both win. Both lose.
Instead of saying this will never work, you so effin stupid, blah blah blah ... make another suggestion for a viable negotiated end to this war.
I don’t think They can concede defeat on either side. All those lives would be wasted on both sides and ultimately it’ll just be a temporary cease fire. It’ll flare up again just like how the initial take over of crimea resulted in this invasion.
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As we pass the 2nd yr anniversary of this war, things are not looking like there is any end in sight. Can't keep on going forever, too much $$ down the pit, endless military support, people dying, Ukrainians displaced.
So here is my proposal to negotiate an end to the war:
- Russia keeps the geographical area that it capture from Ukraine, approx 18-20%.
- Ukraine gets to join NATO
Call it a day. Both win. Both lose.
Instead of saying this will never work, you so effin stupid, blah blah blah ... make another suggestion for a viable negotiated end to this war.
It sucks for sure, but better than the alternative.
I'm hiring at work and had an interview with a girl who was displaced by the war. A Ukrainian refugee. She was so thankful to be here, to have the opportunity for a job. I can't imagine how she feels when people here are fucking crying about sending them money to try to prevent her family from being killed, complaining about accepting refugees and whatever else like they have skin in the game.
It's fucking gross.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
lol Putin would never go along with Ukraine joining NATO, that's literally the reason why he started this shit.
Further to that point, if I were Putin, I would actually have good reason to believe that Russia is going to win the long game. So what if it is a meat grinder now? It isn't like Putin cares about how many Russian soldiers die in the war?
At the end of the day, I think Russia has ~10x the population of Ukraine. So if it is a matter of throwing enough dead bodies to win the war, Russia is the more likely side to win through that. Russia has also shifted its economy to support the war, and they are able to buy weapons from the likes of Iran, N.Korea, and China, so they are not going to run out of weapons any time soon. They are also circumventing a good number of sanctions -- buying stuff through middle man countries, selling oil to Bulgaria, India, and at least one other European country whose name has slipped my mind. So to Putin, they are doing just fine.
Further to that point, if I were Putin, I would actually have good reason to believe that Russia is going to win the long game. So what if it is a meat grinder now? It isn't like Putin cares about how many Russian soldiers die in the war?
If that is what you foresee ... then it's even more important for Ukraine and the West to negotiate an end now. Cut your losses and rebuild Ukraine with 80% of the geographical land that you still have.
Russia can't possibly want an economy based on a war with Ukraine for the next 10 yrs with protests and underlying civil unrest.
^^ I don't think there's 80% land left, cuz I recall watching something that basically a lot of the land is unusable due to mines. Also where are they gonna get money from, Ukrainian economy has collapsed. I sure don't want my tax dollars rebuilding another country. According to the world corruption index, they are ranked 103 worse than Kazakhstan, Albania. They will just go around begging for money.
The problem is there might not be a possible negotiable end to things. Even if you get Putin to go for it the odds of him actually honouring it are pretty slim. He might wait a while but then I suspect he'll start his moving fences in the night bullshit again.
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half those dudes are hotter than ,my GF.
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reading this thread is like waiting for goku to charge up a spirit bomb in dragon ball z
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OH thank god. I thought u had sex with my wife. :cry:
If that is what you foresee ... then it's even more important for Ukraine and the West to negotiate an end now. Cut your losses and rebuild Ukraine with 80% of the geographical land that you still have.
This is what I'd expect based on the current reduced supply of weapons and ammunition the western world is supplying to Ukraine, and it is important to note that it doesn't have to be this way. The outlook could very easily change if NATO countries were to take up a different trajectory in terms of weapons / ammo supply. Ukrainian forces would definitely be doing much better if they are equipped properly to fight this war. But then we go back to the argument of how much NATO involvement can there be before Russia threatens to use their nukes again.
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^^ I don't think there's 80% land left, cuz I recall watching something that basically a lot of the land is unusable due to mines. Also where are they gonna get money from, Ukrainian economy has collapsed. I sure don't want my tax dollars rebuilding another country. According to the world corruption index, they are ranked 103 worse than Kazakhstan, Albania. They will just go around begging for money.
The corruption clean up is a mandatory requirement for getting accepted into NATO. Until Ukraine can gets its corruption levels down to an acceptably low level, NATO will not grant them membership.
Pro-Ukrainian groups of Russian fighters claimed to have launched cross-border attacks in two regions of Russia on Tuesday, hours after Kyiv fired a wave of drones at targets across the country.
The Freedom for Russia Legion – a group of Russian dissidents fighting for Ukraine which has previously claimed responsibility for incursions into Russia – said it had gained full control of the village of Tyotkino in Russia’s Kursk region. CNN cannot independently verify the claims.
The group, comprising a few hundred battle-hardened, anti-Kremlin Russian volunteers fighting as part of Ukraine’s armed forces, also said it had destroyed an armored personnel carrier inside Russia.
A separate pro-Ukrainian group of Russian fighters, the Siberian Battalion, wrote Tuesday on Telegram: “Well, we’re home at last. As promised, we are bringing freedom and justice to our Russian land.”
A third group, the Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK), also claimed to be involved in the fight.
It is pretty obvious to me that one of the flags is the Russian flag. As to the red flag, my initial reaction was that it was the red CCP flag. But it wasn't until I got home when a friend mentioned that it might well be the USSR flag, and logically speaking, that'd make a lot more sense.
Regardless of whether it is the CCP or USSR flag, it disgusts me to no end that these idiots are abusing our Canadian freedoms to spew their nonsense and stupidity. If they fxxking support Russia so much, they should go and live there now. Even better yet, they should fxxking join the Russian army to really support the country they love and endorse so much.
If they fxxking support Palestine so much, they should go and live there now. Even better yet, they should fxxking join Hamas to really support the country they love and endorse so much. Same same
If they fxxking support Palestine so much, they should go and live there now. Even better yet, they should fxxking join Hamas to really support the country they love and endorse so much. Same same
I'd say that's a little different, because in the Russia-Ukraine case, Russia is the oppressor. But in the Israel-Hamas/Palestine case, while Hamas was without a doubt the instigator in this most recent conflict, Israel has easily been the one playing the oppressor role for at least the last 15 - 20 years, esp in the past 7+ months.
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I'd say that's a little different, because in the Russia-Ukraine case, Russia is the oppressor. But in the Israel-Hamas/Palestine case, while Hamas was without a doubt the instigator in this most recent conflict, Israel has easily been the one playing the oppressor role for at least the last 15 - 20 years, esp in the past 7+ months.
Lol @ trying to use logic with JDMdreams.
If you were to comb through all 4000 of his posts you'd probably only find like 3 coherent thoughts.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
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