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I think putin miscalculated. Ukrainians are fighting for freedom and their country. What are the Ruasians fighting for? Have already seen a video of an abandoned Russian vehicle with Russian uniforms on the ground. With the average Ukrainian willing to fight this could turn into another Afghanistan for the Russians.
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Damn now I see why USA Second Amendment is there. Cuz when shit hits the fan its time to fight. So you got the military, and you got civilians that knows how to operate a firearm. Makes for a deadly combo.
I wonder how stupid the freedom convoy participants feel right now after witnessing what is unfolding in Ukraine. Freedom is not a word to take lightly. I bet most of them would be the first to run and hide if Canada ever went to war or got invaded. My heart goes out to the Ukrainian people.
Ukrainian Ambassador to the U.S. Oksana Markarova said Thursday that a platoon of Russian soldiers surrendered to the Ukrainian military, saying they "didn't know that they were brought to Ukraine to kill Ukrainians."
At a press briefing, Markarova said, "Just before I came here, we got information from our chief commander that one of the platoons of the 74th motorized brigade from Kemerovo Oblast surrendered."
"They didn't know that they were brought to Ukraine to kill Ukrainians. They thought they were doing something else there," she added.
Markarova was unable to say how many troops were in the platoon and did not say whether they were being detained by Ukraine.
Markarova said that the "combat spirit" of the Ukrainian military is "high."
The ambassador called on leaders of the free world to form an "anti-Putin coalition" to stop Russia's attack against Ukraine.
"Ukraine is defending our home. We will defend our home and it's time for all free and democratic nations who value the principles and the territorial integrity and the right of any country for peace to stand together with us, but not only stand together with us, act together with us to stop the war in Europe," said Markarova.
When asked if she expected U.S. troops to be sent into Ukraine, Markarova noted that her country is not a part of European or Atlantic security alliances such as NATO and said Ukraine does not expect any countries to fight on its behalf, though she said any help and peacekeeping operations would be welcome.
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Watch Putin rush like crazy to take Kiev now and assassinate/kill the president.
I think just reading various streams of news that he's made a grave miscalculation as well... they said Russia's army is 150,000 strong surrounding Ukraine... but Ukraine has 300,000 fighters just from one region's war alone that are on standby... nevermind conscription now... and that's just ONE region. They may not have the tech, but you can't ignore the numbers.
If you think some civs are gonna be enough to dissuade Russia you’re crazy. The Russian army is big enough and powerful enough and I’m certain has enough die-hard loyalists in its ranks to take over most countries on this globe, regardless of a handful of their ranks feelings towards the politics of it
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I wonder how stupid the freedom convoy participants feel right now after witnessing what is unfolding in Ukraine. Freedom is not a word to take lightly. I bet most of them would be the first to run and hide if Canada ever went to war or got invaded. My heart goes out to the Ukrainian people.
These people are delusional about what freedom entails, at best, so I imagine the majority will still believe they are oppressed.
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Westopher is correct.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
so once the Russians take Kyiv - it'll be a regime change.
The current President - could be arrested...he may flee...or be executed on site.
then we have a regime change and a 'buffer' state for Russia from NATO .
regime change...where have we heard that before?
in any case, all the bravery of the Ukranians aside - they are overmatched by superior Russian military technology and sheer numbers.
make no mistake - the siege of Kyiv is happening now and all we (and the rest of the world) can do is sit and watch.
RE: sanctions.... as per Biden's quote "Wait Another Month or So to See if Sanctions Are Working" - .... Ukraine does not have a month...but that says it all... 'no fucks given'
I mean Russia's been under sanctions since 2014 and that has achieved...? Has sanctions ever really dissuaded dictatorial regimes? (Iran, North Korea etc.) At best, sanctions work over a long period of time and the brunt of economic harm will be borne on the average citizen.
EU doesn't even want to kick Russia off of SWIFT. Apparently there are also reports that Mario Draghi (former head of European Central Banks) carved out Italian luxury goods from EU's package of economic sanctions to shield their economy and Belgium's diamond industry is also not included in the package of sanctions. So yea... Putin must be really impressed at our resolve in deterring him.
Day 1 of the Russian invasion of Ukraine ended with the East European country suffering mass casualties — 137 Ukrainians, both military personnel and civilians — and another 300 people being wounded.
In a late night video address, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy said, “We have been left alone to defend our state. Who is ready to fight alongside us? I don't see anyone.”
"Who is ready to fight alongside us? I don't see anyone. Who is ready to give Ukraine a guarantee of NATO membership? Everyone is afraid," he added.
Zelenskyy also said that Russian “sabotage groups” had entered the capital Kyiv, and urged the city's citizens to remain vigilant and observe a curfew.
The president added that he and his family remained in Ukraine, despite Russia identifying him as "target number one".
"They want to destroy Ukraine politically by taking down the head of state," Zelenskyy said.
The tone of the Ukrainian president’s address at night was very different from the one that he had delivered earlier in the day, just after Vladimir Putin had announced a ‘military operation’ against Ukraine.
In the previous address in which he introduced martial law, Zelenskyy said, “This is a completely groundless, cynical invasion. We, the citizens of Ukraine, have been determining our own future since 1991. But now, what is being decided is not only our country’s future, but also the future of how Europe will live.
"We are working. The army is working. Don’t panic. We are strong. We are ready for everything. We will defeat everyone. Because we are Ukraine."
In his night speech, Zelenskyy also hinted that he was ready to drop Ukraine’s push for NATO membership and maintain neutral status.
He said that he wasn’t afraid of negotiations with Moscow on issues including Ukraine's neutral status and security guarantees.
For the unversed, Ukraine has long been demanding membership in NATO and the country had even made a constitutional commitment to the same in 2019.
How Russia reacted?
Following his speech and the attacks, Kremlin press secretary Dmitry Peskov said that Russia was prepared to negotiate terms of surrender.
According to RT.com, Peskov said that President Vladimir Putin wanted Ukraine to promise to be neutral and not aspire to be a NATO member and not keep any Western weaponry on its territory, adding that those are conditions for Russia to sit on the negotiating table.
The terms will enable “demilitarisation and denazification” of Ukraine, Peskov alleged.
Unfortunately, the US and its NATO allies will not use military action to put soldiers and weapons in Ukraine to push back the Russians.
Why would they? The Russians have thousands of nuclear warheads.
You have political leaders like Biden who have American support as president at around 35 percent. Sleepy Joe is not in a position of strong political support now.
The American public has very low support for military action against Russia.
If the US and its allies escalate this war by sending in their military into Ukraine, who knows what Putin will do?
This evil piece of shit has nuclear launch codes.
Escalating this war by providing military support for Ukraine can turn this Russia and Ukraine war in World War 3.
If the US and its allies remove Russia from the SWIFT system for fund transfers for banks, then the US and German economies would suffer. Banks across the world need SWIFT in order to do business. Companies depend on the SWIFT system in order to do fund transfers for their operations.
Biden and his European allies have weak hands in this high stakes poker game now. Russia has the upper hand at the poker table.
A colleague told me "Send in couple hundred thousand RAMBOs, guerilla warfare experts, Jason Bourne to take out Putin with a sniper bullet, and maybe, just maybe, Russia will lose this war with Ukraine."
^^ and what? Have a garden party? Every country has their hands and pockets tied with COVID. If they did a better job of containment rather than learning to co exist maybe they will have better economic outlooks and can afford a war.
Who's Ukraine? how much will the down fall effect other countries, sadly they aren't important enough to have ww3 over. And what politician will want to be the one that started ww3. China is just laughing right now at the West, bunch of pussies that's just all talk no show.
^^ and what? Have a garden party? Every country has their hands and pockets tied with COVID. If they did a better job of containment rather than learning to co exist maybe they will have better economic outlooks and can afford a war.
Yeah nothing booms the economy like constant lockdowns to contain a virus you can't contain. Look at how great that worked out for Hong Kong.
I saw this video yesterday morning. Absolutely ruined my day. I was contemplating on posting it here. It doesn't really matter who's right or wrong because it's the families that bear the suffering.
I am so glad that my parents chose Canada as a place to call home, but unfortunately we have a bunch of people who have nothing better to do than to "fight for their freedom". This is what you call a fight for freedom.
I agree with everything you've said in your post except for this SWIFT bit.
Russia has indicated before that they will treat getting dropped from SWIFT as the equivalent of declaring war on Russia. I don't see how the US economy would suffer all that much since the US doesn't have strong economic ties with Russia. In fact, if the US can somehow increase its shale oil production, it can capitalize on the opportunity on a Russia oil and gas boycott.
Germany is going to hurt a lot if they cannot easily conduct business with Russia. I think it would be in their long term interest to shift away from their energy dependence on Russia, but that will certainly bring about some serious short and medium term pain.
If Russia can be cut off from SWIFT, I think it will weaken their country dramatically, although its normal citizens will also suffer. But the difficult part is how Russia wouldn't go nuclear ballistic if it happens.
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If the US and its allies remove Russia from the SWIFT system for fund transfers for banks, then the US and German economies would suffer. Banks across the world need SWIFT in order to do business. Companies depend on the SWIFT system in order to do fund transfers for their operations.
Biden and his European allies have weak hands in this high stakes poker game now. Russia has the upper hand at the poker table.
^^ and what? Have a garden party? Every country has their hands and pockets tied with COVID. If they did a better job of containment rather than learning to co exist maybe they will have better economic outlooks and can afford a war.
Who's Ukraine? how much will the down fall effect other countries, sadly they aren't important enough to have ww3 over. And what politician will want to be the one that started ww3. China is just laughing right now at the West, bunch of pussies that's just all talk no show.
Kung Fu Panda China is buying wheat from the Russian bear. I guarantee you that China is buying more natural gas from the Russians now that Germany is not certifying the Nordstream 2 gas pipeline.
China signed a 30 year agreement with Russia to receive natural gas shipments from them via pipeline.
China is basically the banker that is helping out Russia on the poker table. The sneaky Panda that is a big ally of the Russian bear.
The Chinese government is in a delicate position, because they cannot openly support Russia with military equipment. Why is that?
Western countries like the US, Australia, are monitoring the Chinese navy in terms of their aggressive movement in the South China Sea.
Western nations like the US are rethinking their supply chains with more American companies importing more manufactured goods from South East Asian countries.
More western countries are standing up economically against China now, not to mention the ongoing U.S. government tariffs against China.
China can laugh all they want at western countries now with those nations just using sanctions to condemn Russia. The Chinese economy would be under more stress if China dared to support Russia through military hardware.
China is dependent on global trade. Their economy is much more dependent on the West for access for trade markets for their manufactured goods compared to Russia.
If anything, China is facing a very awkward moment now. -quietly supporting Russia without angering Western countries with open public support of Russia.
I think putin miscalculated. Ukrainians are fighting for freedom and their country. What are the Ruasians fighting for? Have already seen a video of an abandoned Russian vehicle with Russian uniforms on the ground. With the average Ukrainian willing to fight this could turn into another Afghanistan for the Russians.
I don't think he expected the level of resistance, but there's no doubt Ukraine can't put up much of a fight, Russia can smother them with just manpower.
If you think some civs are gonna be enough to dissuade Russia you’re crazy. The Russian army is big enough and powerful enough and I’m certain has enough die-hard loyalists in its ranks to take over most countries on this globe, regardless of a handful of their ranks feelings towards the politics of it
I know you are a trump nut hugger but you forget Afghanistan and Iraq? How can any Russian soldier feel safe when ever citizen hates you. One goes down the wrong street he is dead.
Idiot russian soldiers already trying to pick up chicks on tinder.
Freddie Oversteegen was only 14 when she joined the Dutch resistance during World War II, and only a couple of years older when she became one of its armed assassins. Together with her sister—and later, a young woman named Hannie Schaft—the trio lured, ambushed and killed German Nazis and their Dutch collaborators.
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I understand the reasons why NATO/US can't interfere militarily, but this meme sums it up pretty well.
That said, Ukrainians are badass. I had a Ukrainian physics teacher in high school, and she had a photo of herself on her desk, facing the students, of her in full military uniform holding an AK. Nobody fucked around in her class, ever.
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