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roastpuff · 11-12-2022, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by StylinRed

Poor perez, asked for verstappen to switch position so he could get an extra point, and RB were just like

He wasn't close enough even to Verstappen with a broken car, and Leclerc was just out of DRS range behind Perez. If Max had slowed down it would have been a double overtake IMO.

StylinRed · 11-13-2022, 12:09 AM

Yeah ur right totally didn't notice how close traffic behind was

Koflach · 11-13-2022, 04:17 PM

Red Bull asked Max to swap spots at the end of the race so he could stay ahead of Leclerc in the drivers standing but Max just ignored them. Max really showed his true colours today. He is all about Max and couldn't care less about the team. Checo is the reason that he won the Drivers Championship last year and he couldn't let him get a couple extra points? Fuck him.

westopher · 11-13-2022, 04:57 PM

I’m surprised that people are surprised max is behaving like a piece of shit. Any words out of his mouth ever, and knowing who raised him removed any doubt of that long ago.

The Producer · 11-13-2022, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Koflach

Red Bull asked Max to swap spots at the end of the race so he could stay ahead of Leclerc in the drivers standing but Max just ignored them. Max really showed his true colours today. He is all about Max and couldn't care less about the team. Checo is the reason that he won the Drivers Championship last year and he couldn't let him get a couple extra points? Fuck him.

showed his true colours?

dude - he's been an asshole since day 1. #imthemaincharacter

i told my wife if he gets team orders he's not going to do it

he didn't disappoint. great material for f1troll

MarkyMark · 11-13-2022, 05:19 PM

It's weird how Max said he told the team his reasons for it but won't share it with the rest of us

Great68 · 11-13-2022, 07:04 PM

Rumour is that it was about what happened in Monaco, that he crashed on purpose.

Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since he was in 3rd when he crashed. I don't get what would be Perez's motivation for doing so, especially how many other times he's moved out of Max's way.

Maybe it was less nefarious, like wasn't supposed to be in front of Max during that Monaco quali session (Maybe the team released him, or he left when he shouldn't have or somethinjg)

Either way, there's really no excuse to carry the grudge all the way to now, and try to get retribution in a way that could cost not just the teammate 2nd in the championship, but the team itself. Yes, I'm sure red bull still very much want the bragging rights of a 1-2 Driver's championship standing.

There's being a ruthless competitor, but then there's just being a selfish, petty child.

HKS PWR · 11-13-2022, 07:29 PM

That's a special kind of selfishness from Verstappen. If it wasn't for Perez last season, he wouldn't have won the championship.
Instead of praising Perez every time he benefits from his help, return the favour and help out the guy that helped you get the championship and the wins.
Never liked Max Verstappen, never will.

sonick · 11-13-2022, 07:42 PM

Great race, happy Mercedes got their win and no major drama between Hamilton and Russell that may have put the 1-2 at risk.

Russell earned it after the multiple restarts and the pace fending off Hamilton.

A lot of entertaining inter-team drama otherwise with Alpine, Ferrari, and of course Red Bull

StylinRed · 11-13-2022, 08:32 PM

Only got thru the first 20ish laps n fell asleep but it was exciting, got up only to see clips of Max refusing to let Perez thru, what a cunt! After perez let him thru this season and max wouldn't have won last season without perez!

HonestTea · 11-13-2022, 10:55 PM

I love how all the Max fans are coming out and trying to defend his actions. With both championships wrapped up, the least you could do is be a team player and help the guy that helped you get your first WDC.

StylinRed · 11-14-2022, 04:14 AM

Are there max fans supporting it? I've just been reading max fans being disappointed at him. Max isn't too bright, I don't think he thought about the wider repercussions maybe he doesn't care, but what a dumb move of souring your public perception

Drive 2 survive producers must be creaming their pants tho

westopher · 11-14-2022, 07:45 AM

Lots of max fans like max because he’s a prick. People with shitty attitudes tend to idolize those that are similar to them.

HonestTea · 11-14-2022, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by StylinRed

Are there max fans supporting it? I've just been reading max fans being disappointed at him. Max isn't too bright, I don't think he thought about the wider repercussions maybe he doesn't care, but what a dumb move of souring your public perception

Drive 2 survive producers must be creaming their pants tho

They keep saying Max wants the record for 'most points in a season' to justify not helping his teammate get P2 in the championship - which makes NO sense considering that record is useless since races are always being added.

Spoon · 11-14-2022, 10:14 AM

The elephant in the room is that Ricciardo is a free agent.

Perez is unfortunately dispensable. If he's not willing to play second fiddle, he'll get kicked to the curb and lose the seat to a race winning car. It's a shitty situation, but that's F1.

supafamous · 11-14-2022, 10:30 AM

re: Verstappen-Hamilton

I don't get the folks who say that Hamilton is the one who is obliged to back out and let Max through (yesterday or any race). Max's approach with Hamilton has always been to try to bully Hamilton and now Lewis is saying "no more" which is exactly what he should do. Max doesn't do it to any other driver b/c Max already knows he's better than them but with Lewis he's always trying to show Lewis up.

Bro, that's a 7x WDC (should be 8x) you're trying to bully. He's not backing down no more cause he's still King.

westopher · 11-14-2022, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Spoon

The elephant in the room is that Ricciardo is a free agent.

Perez is unfortunately dispensable. If he's not willing to play second fiddle, he'll get kicked to the curb and lose the seat to a race winning car. It's a shitty situation, but that's F1.

Two things about that.
Danny Ric doesn’t have the skill to drive like Checo does. Maybe 5 years ago.
Red bull and Max wouldn’t have the success without him. If what max did just affected Checo, of course Horner has every reason to keep blowing Max as long as he’s winning. But in this case we are talking about someone purposely keeping their team from finishing 1-2 in the standings because of a grudge that’s legitimately rooted in bullshit. That’s absolute clown shit and spitting in the face of the entire team that got you there. No driver in f1, no matter how good, is getting to the top without the best car to take them there.

The Producer · 11-14-2022, 11:35 AM

i like Checo - but I'm rooting so hard for Charles to beat him next week. Tied for second place - any points position finish ahead of Checo and RB loses the 1-2 driver points standings over...nothing but a petulant baby. It will be such a sweet asterisk on an otherwise clean sweep season.

I don't know what the real world money ramifications are of that - but I hope it's a lot.

PS I'm not sure why anybody thinks Danny Ricc would go back to playing second fiddle to Max at RB. That's precisely why he left in the first place. I think he'll hang back next year, and wait for another team implosion in 2023. I mean - he's literally getting paid not to drive. What a perfect year to crank up his multimedia profile.

EvoFire · 11-14-2022, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by supafamous

re: Verstappen-Hamilton

I don't get the folks who say that Hamilton is the one who is obliged to back out and let Max through (yesterday or any race). Max's approach with Hamilton has always been to try to bully Hamilton and now Lewis is saying "no more" which is exactly what he should do. Max doesn't do it to any other driver b/c Max already knows he's better than them but with Lewis he's always trying to show Lewis up.

Bro, that's a 7x WDC (should be 8x) you're trying to bully. He's not backing down no more cause he's still King.

I'm a Hamilton fan, but Max's end race comments about "Oh he looks like he's not going to give space, so we are going to crash" sounds extremely bad. He's purposefully causing an accident and that's an absolute trash attitude. It seems like the stewards feel the same way as they gave Max a 5s penalty.

This Brazil GP is exactly what's wrong with Max all boiled down to a single race.

mb_ · 11-14-2022, 09:01 PM

I thought Max finally matured... Guess not

SkinnyPupp · 11-15-2022, 12:42 AM

I just started watching F1 again at the end of last season and I could immediately tell what a scumbag Max was. I'm sure I've posted about it here. Not surprised at all.

I feel bad for Magnusson.. Gets pole, but it's the jabroni version for the sprint race, and then gets crashed into immediately in the actual race

anti-vip · 11-15-2022, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Spoon

The elephant in the room is that Ricciardo is a free agent.

Perez is unfortunately dispensable. If he's not willing to play second fiddle, he'll get kicked to the curb and lose the seat to a race winning car. It's a shitty situation, but that's F1.

Dont think he's dispensable. He's a master tire whisperer backed by, at one point, richest man in the world. he brings in money

Great68 · 11-15-2022, 09:05 AM

What's kind of funny is that it wasn't too long ago that Hamilton earned the moniker of "scumbag" for situations like this:

Now obviously he's matured a lot since then, and 6 WC title since will fade people's memories of any negatives. I bet the whole Rosberg v Hamilton rivalry would have been a lot uglier and more like Verstappen v Hamilton had they been on different teams.
Fun fact, Lewis was 26 in 2011, Max is 25 now.

Eff-1 · 11-15-2022, 10:45 AM

I know i sound like a bandwagon jumper here, but truthfully I never liked max either. He's just not very personable. Never has been. For similar reasons I couldn't stand Nico Rosberg (and still can't stand him).

But last season I was very much a Max supporter, only for the reason that I wanted to see someone finally dethrone Mercedes and Lews.

So after last season, I started to come around and think maybe Max isn't such a bad guy.

But after this past weekend, I'm like yup, he's still a fuckface.

Great68 · 11-15-2022, 11:29 AM

I think the thing, and what I'm trying to say is that up until this point people were judging Max based on his aggressiveness/ruthlessness, unwillingness to give an inch on track against his opponents. Which to me was no different than the likes of Senna, Schumacher in their days and even Lewis back in his earlier days.

But this one event to bring up some sort of a grudge 5 months later and make your entire team look like a bunch of fools when it was completely meaningless to your own standing is a completely different thing.

Watching Perez's post race interview where the interviewer asked him if it was something related to Monaco, Perez kind of goes to a blank look, almost like disbelief in his face, like he's thinking "Really? He's still holding a grudge about that?"

I always root for the underdog so I don't have a bandwagon. Last year it was Max simply to dethrone Lewis. This year would have liked to have seen Leclerc put up more of a fight. Next year if Mercedes is competitive from the get go, I'll be rooting for them, hopefully Russell, but I wouldn't be unhappy with another Lewis WC.