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murd0c 02-03-2022 07:42 AM

2022 Winter Olympics Thread
 
Since they started yesterday with the Canadian woman's hockey team beating the Swiss 12-1 I thought a new thread is needed.

Let's hope covid is controlled so things don't get out of hand in China and all of the athlete's are safe.

unit 02-03-2022 08:07 AM

watch, the athletes are all gonna throw up those gang signs and piss off china

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ghts-1.6332234

GLOW 02-03-2022 11:17 AM

i'm imagining someone at the pub not knowing chinese signaling a hand gesture to get a drink/beer, and then get arrested for making the political statement. :pokerface:

Traum 02-03-2022 11:29 AM

Fun fact -- 11 out of the 24 Chinese Olympic hockey team players are Canadians! So perhaps in addition to cheering for the Canadian team, we should also cheer for the Chinese team LOL~

Apparently CBC Gem will stream the Winter Olympics for free.

teggy604 02-03-2022 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9053172)
Fun fact -- 11 out of the 24 Chinese Olympic hockey team players are Canadians! So perhaps in addition to cheering for the Canadian team, we should also cheer for the Chinese team LOL~

Apparently CBC Gem will stream the Winter Olympics for free.

Ya, I read an article about that. I think its not right they waived the Chinese national team aside.

Razor Ramon HG 02-03-2022 11:48 AM

My friend is on the Chinese hockey team.

He was laughing because for some of the players on the team, they changed the spelling so it's in pinyin pronunciation and putting that on the jerseys.

e.g. Jeremy Smith is now Jieruimi Shimisi

My friend is a white-washed halfer, so he doesn't have a Chinese name. When he went to China for the first time, they apparently asked him for one. He said he didn't have one so they made one for him. We were joking he should've gave them another friend's Chinese name because as it turns out that would've been on the jerseys instead.

Teriyaki 02-03-2022 12:06 PM

Can someone explain how/why the parameters of choosing to represent another country? Since China doesn't recognize dual citizenship, how are Canadians or other citizens from countries like the US getting to just choose to represent a different country? Do you just need an Asian face and, bam? Or even worse, are there no real rules about your country of representation and a country can just "buy" their athletes?

CivicBlues 02-03-2022 12:22 PM

I don't really think there's any rules at all. Say you're a middling Olympic skating hopeful in the Canada, but then you find out your Grandmother was from Jamaica and now boom, you immigrate there, get citizenship and now you're a shoe-in for their Olympic team. Whereas if you stayed in Canada you'll probably get cut from the team. I'm sure some countries offer pay-for-play service as well. I mean 2 olympics ago this Korean guy decided he wanted to compete for Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_An
Quote:

Ahn trained in Russia and received Russian citizenship to compete for Russia in the 2014 Sochi Olympics. Ahn's father stated that the decision was due to lack of support from the South Korean skating association.[28] Prior to moving to Russia, Ahn did not know the Russian language and had no familial ties to Russia. He had considered competing for the United States, but found that the process for gaining Russian citizenship was much easier. He chose "Viktor" as his Russian name as it derived from Victory,[29] and to pay tribute to Viktor Tsoi, a Soviet rock star of ethnic Korean descent.[30]

In South Korea, a furor erupted over the loss of Ahn to Team Russia, after his participation in the 2014 Winter Olympics. Several newspapers reported the scorn of the South Korean public and newspaper editors on the actions of the skating federation. The minister of sport and president of South Korea both promised action in rooting out corruption and feuding at the organization that may have led to his "defection", in a bid to clean it up in preparation for the 2018 Winter Olympics in South Korea. The South Korean public is generally supportive of Ahn.[31][32][30] In September 2018, Ahn announced his retirement from short track and moved back to South Korea.[33]

Traum 02-03-2022 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teriyaki (Post 9053179)
Can someone explain how/why the parameters of choosing to represent another country? Since China doesn't recognize dual citizenship, how are Canadians or other citizens from countries like the US getting to just choose to represent a different country? Do you just need an Asian face and, bam? Or even worse, are there no real rules about your country of representation and a country can just "buy" their athletes?

That's exactly what China and the IOC refuses to talk about. For this to work, one of the following has to happen:

1) The player / Olympic athlete either renounces his original citizenship and get naturalized as a Chinese citizen

2) The IOC grants the exception to allow a non-Chinese citizen to represent China in the Olympic Games

3) China disregards or grants an exception on its dual citizenship rule by allowing these players to retain their original citizenship while naturalizing them as Chinese citizen

My bet is they are doing #3 while conveniently sweeping all the messy details under the rug. Eileen Gu -- this all-star snow sports skier -- is representing China in the Winter Olympics despite being an American citizen (with a US dad and a Mainland Chinese Mom). Some US department is supposed to publish on an annual basis a list of all former American citizens who have renounced their US citizenship. People have looked into those records in the years prior to the Olympics, and they have not see this Miss Gu on the US citizenship renunciation list. And she conveniently coins the line that "When she is in China, she is a Chinese citizen, and when she is in US, she is American."

Representing another country in these national level games is hardly new. But I don't recall the same degree of sloppiness in following through the proper naturalization process in the past.

GLOW 02-03-2022 12:28 PM

it's like the reverse where asians immigrating to north america and were given anglo-sized names, like someone named Leung could be Leon :lol

EvoFire 02-03-2022 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9053183)
That's exactly what China and the IOC refuses to talk about. For this to work, one of the following has to happen:

1) The player / Olympic athlete either renounces his original citizenship and get naturalized as a Chinese citizen

2) The IOC grants the exception to allow a non-Chinese citizen to represent China in the Olympic Games

3) China disregards or grants an exception on its dual citizenship rule by allowing these players to retain their original citizenship while naturalizing them as Chinese citizen

My bet is they are doing #3 while conveniently sweeping all the messy details under the rug. Eileen Gu -- this all-star snow sports skier -- is representing China in the Winter Olympics despite being an American citizen (with a US dad and a Mainland Chinese Mom). Some US department is supposed to publish on an annual basis a list of all former American citizens who have renounced their US citizenship. People have looked into those records in the years prior to the Olympics, and they have not see this Miss Gu on the US citizenship renunciation list. And she conveniently coins the line that "When she is in China, she is a Chinese citizen, and when she is in US, she is American."

Representing another country in these national level games is hardly new. But I don't recall the same degree of sloppiness in following through the proper naturalization process in the past.

This is nothing new, China granting honorary citizenship for people who would further their world standing. It's not just China that does it really as a lot of countries do it for different reasons.

It came out a few years ago when Jeremy Lin was the hot thing in NBA that China tried to buy his citizenship but he told them no.

Hondaracer 02-03-2022 02:04 PM

Look back at the closing ceremonies of the last olympics and look at Qatar and the UAE, they are all Australians etc.

68style 02-03-2022 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9053172)
Fun fact -- 11 out of the 24 Chinese Olympic hockey team players are Canadians! So perhaps in addition to cheering for the Canadian team, we should also cheer for the Chinese team LOL~

Apparently CBC Gem will stream the Winter Olympics for free.

Adam Cracknell, who was on the Canucks before, was going to be on the Chinese Olympic team... but now he is on the Canadian one lol...

This writeup on the Athletic is quite detailed about how China is doing it:

Spoiler!

winson604 02-03-2022 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9053183)
That's exactly what China and the IOC refuses to talk about. For this to work, one of the following has to happen:

1) The player / Olympic athlete either renounces his original citizenship and get naturalized as a Chinese citizen

2) The IOC grants the exception to allow a non-Chinese citizen to represent China in the Olympic Games

3) China disregards or grants an exception on its dual citizenship rule by allowing these players to retain their original citizenship while naturalizing them as Chinese citizen

My bet is they are doing #3 while conveniently sweeping all the messy details under the rug. Eileen Gu -- this all-star snow sports skier -- is representing China in the Winter Olympics despite being an American citizen (with a US dad and a Mainland Chinese Mom). Some US department is supposed to publish on an annual basis a list of all former American citizens who have renounced their US citizenship. People have looked into those records in the years prior to the Olympics, and they have not see this Miss Gu on the US citizenship renunciation list. And she conveniently coins the line that "When she is in China, she is a Chinese citizen, and when she is in US, she is American."

Representing another country in these national level games is hardly new. But I don't recall the same degree of sloppiness in following through the proper naturalization process in the past.

Ahh thanks I've been randomly seeing tons of videos on my youtube feed on Eileen Gu and was wondering how it worked. Didn't care enough to look obviously though lol.

StylinRed 02-03-2022 02:45 PM

Read a story saying half of canadians (or those polled anyway) are making a conscious effort to not watching the Olympics given china's human rights violations and the fact they kidnapped the two Michael's

I don't normally watch the Olympics so I'll probably miss it anyway, but what are your guys thoughts?

murd0c 02-03-2022 03:03 PM

I will watch because I honestly love the winter Olympics and for support for Canada. I agree about the human rights violations and think it shouldn't be held in China but this is about the amateur athlete's who have been training all of their lives to get here which is all I really care about.

SkinnyPupp 02-03-2022 03:33 PM

It's weird there... They're basically in a bubble, like an actual strict one unlike Tokyo.



Everything is constantly being sprayed down with lysol to the point where the floors are always slippery. Everyone is in hazmat suits with Olympic logos on them, including all staff like bartenders


Some places employ robots instead, many of which malfunction, because it's 2022 Earth not 2370 on the Enterprise


I found this amusing - some hotels have special hotspots with VPN so travelers get access to banned services


Hondaracer 02-03-2022 03:38 PM

Huge fan of the olympics in general but not going to go out of my way to support this one and all the grossness that goes with it.

Teriyaki 02-03-2022 05:57 PM

It's a shame because generally I much prefer watching the Winter Olympics over the Summer Games.

Just fyi, for legal streams, seems like both CBC Gem and Amazon Prime Video are covering it.

Tim Budong 02-03-2022 06:03 PM

Winter games > Summer Games for me

It's a big year for Canadian Sports, the men's football team is most likely to qualify for the world cup too.

teggy604 02-03-2022 06:31 PM

So what happens after the Olympic with these players? Can they call themselves Chinese citizens? Or will China take away their Chinese citizenship? Lol

Teriyaki 02-03-2022 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teggy604 (Post 9053252)
So what happens after the Olympic with these players? Can they call themselves Chinese citizens? Or will China take away their Chinese citizenship? Lol

Only if they win and bring glory to the motherland.

underscore 02-03-2022 10:45 PM

I stopped watching a couple years ago. The Olympics sounds more absurd every time it happens. All the corruption and bribery, the constant doping issues, the wastefulness of building these huge facilities from scratch every few years (half the time with some ethical shenanigans involved), China and their bullshit hosting it again and now it sounds like half the athletes aren't even from the countries they "represent." Not to mention nobody gives a shit about most of these sports the rest of the time so people are spending years of their lives and tons of money training just for this one thing.

Why do we still bother with this?

68style 02-03-2022 11:02 PM

^
Cuz it makes some people a fucking TONNE of money

SkinnyPupp 02-04-2022 07:53 AM

Dutch journalist removed by security in the middle of his live report


News anchor: "We're going to China, to correspondent. Sjoerd, you're standing near the stadium. What will China show the next few hours?

*scuffles*

Sjoerd in Chinese to security: "wait a minute, we're broadcasting"

Sjoerd in Dutch: "We are, as you can see, being pulled away. We already were removed from another spot just now. I am afraid that we will have to get back to you later."

News anchor: "let's move on to the next topic"

...

News anchor: "Let's go back to our correspondent Sjoerd den Daas. He was just at the stadium.

Look, he is now finally here, without somebody to keep him company, in peace.

Sjoerd, strict measures because of the covid pandemic. What have you noticed?"


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