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Even if we dislike these protesters, we should respect their right to protest, even if it's a prolonged one, this is overboard.
Did he, or anyone, even try to speak with their reps? (do they have reps? Lol) all I've seen from him is wagging his finger at them from the get go. I'm sure if someone offered an ear to them we'd see most of them leave
No man - this has gone so far past "protest", we're way past that this point.
Protesting is when you stand on the sidewalks with picket signs. It could even be that you start walking on the streets with picket signs. Hell, you can even superglue yourself to the highway during rush hour and that could still be considered a protest, as annoying as it is.
When you organize a "protest" with the purpose of disrupting literally innocent citizens and occupying streets and border crossings to cripple the economy all the while harassing people that don't agree with your stupid cause, that stops being a protest. I didn't even mention the guns and swastikas.
If you have beef with your neighbour, you sit down and talk with him if he rings your doorbell and asks to talk. If he bangs on your door for a week and then camps on your lawn with an air horn, you're not gonna talk to him. You're going to call the police.
I want to give the protestors credit in that the property damage was minimal (maybe non existent?) and there were no serious injuries or deaths.
Last summer's protests in a much smaller, much less important city saw some serious riots erupt into three deaths, a handful of injuries and 50 million dollars of damage to the city. This was a completely different situation, I know, but over a fraction of the time much more damage was done.
As much as some of us may disagree with the protestors, their cause, and their actions, they didn't try to burn the city.
They also didn't storm Parliament even though many of them seemed to have some very big problems with the current administration.
They made their voices heard, nothing fundamentally changed, but I don't think any funerals are being held as a result of the last few weeks.
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BLM protests are soooo far down the political rabbit hole, it should be classified in its own category. Also our stupid protest is for something that's happened only recently. Police shooting black people and then going meh has been going on for decades.
The January 6th insurrection too, is the result of poor education and years of indoctrination mixed in with room temperature IQs all catalyzed by a fat old man they decided to worship...so yeah, "Well at least they didn't storm the Parliament building" isn't really some positive thing. Thank fuck we're not there yet.
If you're going to try and draw parallels to other protests, it should be the wet'suwet'en protests...and we all know how quick the RCMP came in guns blazing on that one. That's a travesty on its own.
Most of the people I spoke to were surprised at the resistance. I think the convoy is under the false impression that they have unwavering popular support. It helps them to see opposition.”
These guys are so brainwashed by social media.
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take the average protester waving flags around and crying about freedom, then just try to get them into a civilized conversation with trudeau and then you'll realize why trudeau won't meet with them.
it's like if biden went to meet with a trump worshipper.. what is the point of that exercise?
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I'm glad this is finally coming out to the public more.
For years we've seen this American populist movement sprouting within Canada online.
To people following this it was very apparent it was not a real grassroots movement, but one vacillated by dark money, EXACTLY how the Tea Party had started.
We never had the ability to truly prove what was going on the last few years here -- this has been a great example to show how much outside US influence from monied plutocrats can put their thumb on societal discourse.
They cleared Ambassador Bridge without the Emergency Act ... couldn't they use the same negotiators? I recall Ford did enact the Provincial Emergency Act ... what is the difference? Having said that, Ottawa is in Ontario as with Windsor, whatever tactic they used, that seemed like a successful approach.
I do think that JT imposing the Emergency Act plays right into the hands of the protesters. They will say, 'see, JT is totalitarian regime.'
They cleared Ambassador Bridge without the Emergency Act ... couldn't they use the same negotiators? I recall Ford did enact the Provincial Emergency Act ... what is the difference? Having said that, Ottawa is in Ontario as with Windsor, whatever tactic they used, that seemed like a successful approach.
I do think that JT imposing the Emergency Act plays right into the hands of the protesters. They will say, 'see, JT is totalitarian regime.'
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How obtuse to you have to be to say sitting down for a reasonable conversation with these people is a feasible course of action.
“Every pandemic measure will be lifted or the current government will resign their positions and be replaced with our choice”
“Hey guys just wanted to come out and compromise with your totally reasonable and well thought out demands!”
We did have an election that put these politicians in place, should a few thousand people who have decided they are a valid group to appoint a new government be given a platform to come to a REASONABLE solution?
Not sure where the /S is, if it's your whole post, so not sure if this comment is directed at you, or the people you are making fun of, if you are.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
How obtuse to you have to be to say sitting down for a reasonable conversation with these people is a feasible course of action.
“Every pandemic measure will be lifted or the current government will resign their positions and be replaced with our choice”
“Hey guys just wanted to come out and compromise with your totally reasonable and well thought out demands!”
We did have an election that put these politicians in place, should a few thousand people who have decided they are a valid group to appoint a new government be given a platform to come to a REASONABLE solution?
Not sure where the /S is, if it's your whole post, so not sure if this comment is directed at you, or the people you are making fun of, if you are.
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At an “emergency press conference” held by some of the protest organizers on Monday night and later posted on YouTube, self-declared spokesperson Tom Marazzo proposed that a core group of organizers and their supporters could sit at a table “with the Conservatives, and the NDP, and the Bloc as a coalition.”
Though this suggestion is “a non-starter,” according to Michael Kempa, associate professor of criminology at the University of Ottawa. “No other external party can become part of a coalition government. That's just not how a constitutional democracy works,” Kempa said in an interview Tuesday on CTV News Channel.
Why can't you just type or copy paste instead of communicating through youtube videos?
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One organizing group, Canada Unity, is demanding that government leaders either repeal the mandates or "RESIGN their lawful positions of authority immediately."
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Does anyone have friends from the Eastern Bloc countries? Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, ...or anyone on here from there? I find that they have very strong views about government taking away their freedoms. But I think they are seeing this from their history ... They think JT is the next Ceausescu.
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I find my friends that are Canadian raised and from those countries as very early life immigrants or first gen Canadians tend to fall in that category, but those who are more recent immigrants think that it’s absurd what Canadians see as “our rights being trampled”
I’m generalizing a bit for sure, from my experience as it’s of course not a one size fits all, but those that have seen real loss of freedoms, war and erosion of human rights as a young adult or grown up know what real facism looks like.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
I'm curious what other options Trudeau actually has. If people don't think he should be using the Emergency Act then what else should he be doing? If you're going to say he can't use the Act then you should probably have some clue since Ottawa Police haven't done anything, the provinces haven't done anything, so now it's a federal issue.
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What bothers me is JT imposing Emergency act without first trying to have a dialogue at the pretence of what? National security and peace?
With who? Last I checked one of the organizers is MIA and the other doesn't even want to talk to Trudeau.
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^ As with all diplomacy ... back Channels. Apparently, ex-Doug Ford Assistant was making some sort of progress with Ottawa truckers? There are always back channels if JT doesn't want to appear to meet with the protesters. I'm sure there were to alleviate the Detroit/Windsor Ambassador bridge stand off.
I listened to a NY Times podcast ep this morning "summarizing" the event and it misses a lot of the nuance surrounding the protest. It touched on the fact that the protestors were largely not representative of the trucking industry as a whole and brushed on the fact that there were alt-right elements embedded deep within.
It had this weird bit where they talked about how compliant Canadians usually were, which set up the real message; "If these normally docile Canadians are protesting, this must really be unjust".
The narrative got turned around at the end and seemed to imply this was a "small guy against the government" moment and gave this a community activism spin with a conversation happening over a grilled burger (like its been one big BBQ in Ottawa for the last few weeks).
It ended off with a "we're all one big family" message at the end.
I know its hard to summarize Canadian politics to Americans and make it palatable, but this felt really weird to me. I'd expect this kind of docile messaging from The Post but not the The Times.
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Four Alberta men are in custody accused of plotting to murder RCMP officers and nine other people are facing weapons and mischief offences as part of what RCMP say was a significant and organized threat by a heavily armed group at the Coutts border protest – and the first public steps in an continuing RCMP investigation into illegal activity at the blockade.
“I can tell you that this threat was very serious,” said Southern Alberta RCMP Chief Superintendent Trevor Daroux, speaking at an RCMP press conference Tuesday evening.
The arrests began after RCMP tactical officers raided two camper trailers and a mobile home on 1st Avenue North in Coutts shortly after midnight on Monday.
Chris Carbert, 44; Christopher Lysak, 48; Anthony Olienick, 39; and Jerry Morin, 40, are charged with possession of weapons for a dangerous purpose and mischief over $5,000, in addition to the conspiracy to commit murder charges. Mr. Lysak faces an additional charge of uttering threats.
Six more men – Luke Berk, 62; Johnson Law, 39; Evan Colenutt, 23; Justin Martin, 22; Eastin Stewart Oler, 22; and Janx Zaremba, 18 – and three women – Joanne Person, 62; Jaclyne Martin, 39; and Ursula Allred, 22 – are also charged with mischief and unlawful weapons offences in relation to the blockade.
“Monday’s weapons seizure and subsequent arrests speak to the serious criminal activities taking place during this protest and illegal blockade. The dangerous criminal activity occurring away from the TV cameras and social-media posts was real and organized,” said Deputy Commissioner Curtis Zablocki. “It could have been deadly for citizens, protesters and officers.”
Chief Supt. Daroux said RCMP were in touch with protest organizers before the blockade began, seeking to balance the rights of citizens to protest with an open border and public safety. He said police were initially assured the protest would remain peaceful and lawful, but that once protesters established themselves at the border, “it very rapidly became an unlawful protest with some very real safety concerns.”
While RCMP have faced questions and criticism over videos that appeared to show police being friendly with protesters – even hugging them – he said the operation was focused on safety, but that officers were gathering evidence at all times, and that an investigation into illegal activity during the blockade is continuing, with more charges expected.
“The lack of what you see, visible enforcement, doesn’t preclude enforcement from coming and investigation continuing after that,” he said. “These are very dynamic situations. A lot of those facts will come out through the courts, but I can assure you that where the evidence is available, charges will be laid and individuals will be brought to court.”
Last border blockade to be dismantled as protesters in Emerson, Man., agree to leave
A photo released by RCMP after the arrests showed a large cache of firearms and ammunition seized from the property, including 13 long guns, many with scopes, as well as loads of ammunition, high-capacity magazines, handguns, body armour, a large machete, and walkie-talkies.
The RCMP confirmed the location of the raid in Coutts. No one answered the door at the property Tuesday morning.
On the night of the raid, an account with the same name as Ms. Person wrote on Facebook that RCMP officers were on her property.
“The full tactical is at my home and they are [telling] us to leave the home and that they are entering. My god. Please help us,” she wrote Monday morning at 12:21 a.m. She later wrote that she needed a lawyer. “There is swat and tactical [surrounding] my yard,” she wrote three minutes later.
One of the campers in the yard bore the slogan “Lets Go Brandon!,” a political slam at U.S. President Joe Biden. Outside, there was a case of Pilsner beer and a barbecue, along with coolers, gas cans and propane tanks.
Dealing with the charges at Lethbridge Provincial Court on Tuesday, court heard the individuals were in quarantine, and therefore could not appear by video-link as their matters were dealt with. Given the circumstances, their appearances were waived by both the defence and Crown.
The four men facing the conspiracy to commit murder charges were remanded in custody for bail hearings, and are currently slated to be back in court on Friday. Mr. Colenutt was also remanded in custody until Friday, pending a bail hearing.
The other eight accused, who live in Red Deer, Calgary, Coutts and Turner Valley, were all released with the consent of the Crown under a number of conditions, including having no contact with their co-accused, not being in or near public protests, and having no weapons or firearms. Their charges were all adjourned until March 15.
During the proceedings, court heard that three of the accused – Mr. Martin, Ms. Allred and Mr. Oler – are roommates – and that they work with Mr. Zaremba at a Calgary LED lighting company. The connection between the other accused, and whether they knew each other before the blockade or met at the scene, is not clear.
RCMP say possible ties to larger extremist groups remain under investigation, and that more charges are possible, related both to the group and to other illegal activity at the border blockade.
Social-media posts by several of the individuals reflect anti-vaccination, anti-mask, conspiracy and anti-government sentiment. Body armour seized by RCMP in the raid includes patches identified with conspiracy and far-right movements.
On social media, Mr. Carbert and Mr. Lysak have both interacted with posts by a man described by the Canadian Anti-Hate Network as the leader of a radical far-right movement that wants to bring about the dissolution of Canada, and the formation of a new country.
Mr. Carbert, one of the accused charged with conspiracy to commit murder against the RCMP, posted often about conspiracy theories, and expressed a willingness to die for those beliefs.
”I will die fighting for what I believe is right and I mean this,” Mr. Carbert wrote in October.
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