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Oh, I see. So people are calling the cops cowards...
These are my initial thoughts.
1. If I were a parent who was outside, I would have 100% ran in there to try and save my kid. No one would be able to prevent me from entering that building, whether I was armed or not. I'm not relying on anyone or any cop to get my child out of a situation like that. I'm not sitting on the sidelines while my child is in danger.
2. In regards to the cop who ran in and saved only their kid, I can understand potentially the train of thought, make sure my child is safe and get the hell out of there. I'm not going to risk my child's life trying to save other people, who knows what is going on or if there are multiple shooters etc.
3. If you're a cop, but also a mother or father, are you supposed to risk your life and put yourself in a potentially life-threatening position? Is it their duty to die for anyone?
I get that being a police officer comes with certain expectations, but I'm not sure if putting your life in danger is an automatic requirement just because you're a police officer.
What the fuck am I reading?
Yes, Yes being a cop comes with the expectation that you may need to put your life in danger.
So these kids basically sacrificed themselves for those pigs
After they went into the school, the cops said for anyone who needed help to call out. A girl yelled help, the gunman went and shot her, and then the cops rushed into the room.
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3. If you're a cop, but also a mother or father, are you supposed to risk your life and put yourself in a potentially life-threatening position? Is it their duty to die for anyone?
I get that being a police officer comes with certain expectations, but I'm not sure if putting your life in danger is an automatic requirement just because you're a police officer.
I thought someone having a child would make them more likely to run in and protect a school full of innocent children knowing what's on the line, not the opposite. The fact that some cops ran in to save their own child while saying fuck the rest is some of the most cowardly shit I've ever heard a police officer do and I sincerely hope they handed in their badge or are ridiculed until they do.
I think back to manics original point. The high school bully turned cop making 60k doesn’t feel like charging into a hail of bullets when push comes to shove
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Honestly if you pay them 100k or 150k are they really going to grow a sack just because their paycheck is better? In a situation like that with kids being shot you're either the type of person that would run in there for free or you're going to run the other way, money means nothing in that moment.
Better training and weeding out the pussies would be a good start, and with more training you can argue paying them more but I wouldn't just bump up their pay with the expectation that they are willing to die for it.
I think most cops in small towns do not have the moral, will and determination to actually be a 'good' cop. They join because they can join with a high school or college diploma, they can find a job with good pay, a pension and pretty much next to impossible to get fired.
Most of the cops in the photo look like they won't be able to out run the gunman if they were to be on a foot chase.
Honestly if you pay them 100k or 150k are they really going to grow a sack just because their paycheck is better? In a situation like that with kids being shot you're either the type of person that would run in there for free or you're going to run the other way, money means nothing in that moment.
Better training and weeding out the pussies would be a good start, and with more training you can argue paying them more but I wouldn't just bump up their pay with the expectation that they are willing to die for it.
You get what you pay for. I remember listing to Seattle radio and hearing an ad for Memphis PD. They where coming to Seattle on a recruitment drive. They had to travel around the US to find someone who would take the job. With low pay you literally scraping the bottom of the barrel.
It's also really hard to train someone to want to run towards gun fire. Canadian TV show 19-2 does a great job of showing what happens in a school shooting. Some cops just freeze.
The only way to solve it is to go so hard on enforcement and restrictions it starts a civil war, you eat that for years on end with many deaths in hopes that 25-35 years from now somthing changes.
I think it’s far more likely we get to the point of minority report type shit where you’re predicting these crimes happening, or schools just become a one entry point concrete bunker where everyone goes through metal detectors and pat downs.
There will -never- be a time when guns are taken away from people, or even asking people to turn them in frankly
125 guns for every 100 people in the states. If it’s not at a school it will be at a mall, stadium, concert, etc.
Funny thing about this argument.
We hear all the time that "there's already too many guns out there, it's too late", however whenever these mass shooting occur, the guns utilized were purchased literally days before the shootings.
If we know that a large majority of mass shootings were conducted with firearms purchased within days or months prior to the actual shooting, it somewhat defeats that argument in terms of the guns being out there already.
That gives credence to the fact that adding additional licensing/registration on a federal level on a go forward basis could alleviate some of these problems, at least to some capacity.
We can't make these arguments that it wouldn't work as the data isn't there, such measure hasn't been adopted before in the US. I could say a system similar to Canada's on a federal level in terms of course requirements, background checks, license fees would certainly be a start.
In terms of the police argument, those cops were cowards, most definitely.
In reality there are levels of those who get themselves involved in law enforcement. Some join as ideologues who want to do better for their community, some join for the power, some join to simply collect a cheque and have a job, especially in these smaller communities.
A lot of these places have issues even attracting and recruiting officers in the first place, so I think the idea of believing they'll be able to suddenly recruit these brave individuals to take a bullet is farcical.
America carries military bases all over the world, with a GDP allocated to military expenditure far outweighing any country in the world. Each state has its own national guard.
A country of such power can't figure out a way to allocate a quickly mobilized force of troops on a state/city basis to respond immediately to these types of shootings? That seems unbelievable to me.
I don’t know if it’s irony or not, but I feel like the cop that has a hair trigger to shoot a black kid in the back, may also be the one that would actually run into a situation like this? Lol
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I don’t know if it’s irony or not, but I feel like the cop that has a hair trigger to shoot a black kid in the back, may also be the one that would actually run into a situation like this? Lol
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I would guess the opposite. Someone so terrified of a black person facing the other direction that they shoot them seems unlikely to willingly head towards danger.
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yup, seems rumors are true. waiting outside one hour while shots are fired inside the building.
police then automatically assuming everything is over when it got quite.
Reason apparently Why a cop saved his kid only is cause she/he called him on a cellphone there was loud shots being fired while at a barbershop getting a hair cut, the off-duty police than borrowed a shotgun driving over there.
also a teacher fucked up when hearing the gun shots, she went outside in a car to grab her cellphone to call 911 while leaving every single door behind her unlocked....and a untold number of phone calls were already being made by the students inside.
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also a teacher fucked up when hearing the gun shots, she went outside in a car to grab her cellphone to call 911 while leaving every single door behind her unlocked....and a untold number of phone calls were already being made by the students inside.
that gave further access to the assailant
I've never spent a single day at school where the doors were locked, or known anyone that has. I'd say that's a pretty reasonable indicator something far greater than an unlocked door is wrong.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Blaming the teacher now? The NRA will blame anyone anything to take the focus off guns.
The US needs to ban the sale of all assault rifles. Then make it a 15 year minimal jail term for the owner of any assault rifle used in a crime. No need to waste money on gun buy backs.
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I've never spent a single day at school where the doors were locked, or known anyone that has. I'd say that's a pretty reasonable indicator something far greater than an unlocked door is wrong.
Schools in HK would lock the gate to prevent ppl from coming in late or skipping out
And here I've had a HS try to do the same, they'd lock all doors, you could exit but couldn't enter. At the main entrance only one door worked to enter, and a vice principal would sit there so they could catch late students
Later on they upgraded the inner hallway doors so they could lockdown the school with a switch of the button (magnetic lock iirc)
You would think security like that would be standard for all schools in the USA
I completely understand the frustrations of so many of you and I think it's fair to call the officers cowards as that's exactly what they are.
It's just now that I'm a father, my perspective has changed.
I am no stranger to confrontation. I've been involved in multiple Patterson sky train station altercations, I've been stabbed multiple times, I'm not one to just sit on the sidelines. I was known to be quite cavalier.
The moment I had my baby, my risk tolerance changed completely. My sole priority is my child and my family. I have not used the horn in my car once since I had my child, I don't care to have any sort of altercation that could potentially cause harm to me that may negatively affect my family.
I would rather be labeled a coward and be alive to support my family than to be dead and a hero.
The points of being a police officer to serve and protect is a fair comment as well. You're completely right. Why are you a police officer if you aren't going to step up in the line of duty? That's absolutely fair. I guess the appropriate thing to do is to resign.
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