I totally understand a cop grabbing their kid and getting them out. But after that, you have to carry on. Thats the job, thats what you signed up to do, and if you can't, you never should have been paid for a day of it in your life.

While I agree, it seems weird as hell that for this teacher to be able to call 911 they'd have to leave their classroom unattended and go to their car to get their cell phone. That seems like the most needlessly complicated way to do it.

When they put the timeline together, some teacher kept one of the doors jammed open (out of convenience) and that was the door the shooter went into the school through (#3 in diagram).

Man ... that's a lot of responsibility on her/him. Obviously, it is not all on this teacher but there are safety measures to prevent outsiders from entering and that one time out of convenience was a big factor in how things panned out.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05...3621344097.jpg

I work in the security industry and when I learn about these stories, it bothers me that anyone can easily walk into my kids’ (and yours) schools unlocked front doors. Maybe I’ve heard too much over the years but having access control on entry points makes so much sense. It’s not a lot of hassle for parents or late students to use a video intercom to be let in safely by office staff after the bell rings.

Sadly, proactive spend on security doesn’t happen too often in this relatively safe part of the world. I’ll use the unfortunate stabbing in that Abbotsford school as an example. It took that horrible event to happen for a school I’ve worked with to reactively find budget to keep students and staff safe.

I understand that budgets exist and I’m sure every school district around wished they had the best security available but it is a sincere shame that I’ve seen money suddenly become available after life has been lost.

TL;DR - when it comes to security, proactive > reactive.

^ Having all of the school doors locked during school hours seems like a pretty good way to keep people out. It sounds super simple, but if they simply did this I suspect it would prevent a lot of unwanted people inside the school.

Definitely a major inconvenience, but that might be the easiest solution for now?

Different era. I've been to two different high schools and three different elementary schools in Richmond. 3 of 5 of those, I've had some kind of lockdown and/or doors being locked after bell rings.

I barely remember elementary school. But I remember a lockdown happened 3x (nearby police activity, suspicious persons x2) at that school with lockdown drills especially around 2009/2010.

In high school at MacNeil, there was probably 3 drug/police activity lock downs every year. In Richmond High, there wasn't any that I really recall. One lockdown for police activity, but I skipped that day lol. Plenty of lockdown drills tho, at least once a year.

And then there's my brother's high school years, which is a different era too (later). There was actual lockdowns due to threats made on the school/students posted across social media and discord, like this one.

What a crazy world.

I am pretty sure a person with a gun is not going to have a hard time getting thru a door or shooting a window out. Are you going to keep kids in during recess and lunch? If you make one place harder the shooter will just find another easier target.

The problem is guns end of story.

Woman seeks into the NRA conformance via a side door.
https://mobile.twitter.com/lawindsor...03445736001536

Wouldn't it be easier to have emergency exit windows that the teacher can pop open and everyone can evacuate? They'd work for fires too.

The idiots APPLAUDED HIM

:neckbeard:

iirc at my kids school when they had a lot of covid restrictions (only kids/staff allowed to enter building, no parents allowed), all doors were locked from the outside, but you could exit (egress). only door(s) open were the ones at the front that were closest to the front office. seemed to work to limit parent access in to the building (and if anyone wanted in, the receptionist was right there)

mind you not all school floorplans can do that, i know some school's reception is down a hallway from the nearest 'front door'.

someone said "oh the window is a point too".... yes it is but at least it'll buy you more time to dial 911 and hold the person outside a little longer than a open doorway.


no way someone isn't getting cut crawling over a broken window

maybe teachers should hold non-lethal mace spray or have two hired armed security if these type of things are current.

It's mind-numbing and sad that this discussion, both here and in the US, goes to how to turn schools in to hardened bunkers. Good, fine, spend all the money to do that and guess what - you've made schools a hard target now the demented pieces of shit that perform these attacks will just find another soft one. A school wasn't the target in Vegas or Orlando. Hardening schools doesn't solve the core problem at all FailFish

The cowardice of the local PD is unfathomable. How none of those cops with their tac vests, carbines, training and numbers against a single gunmen didn't act is beyond shameful. How none of them thought "if not me, than who? If not us, than who?" and did their fucking job that they signed on the dotted line to do is inexcusable. The Uvalde PD / city will be litigated to death by the families, not that it matters or will bring their children back. This is America in 2022. We are now fully entrenched in the "soft men, hard times" section of the loop.

By the way, this is the hat of the off-duty BORTAC agent for anyone who hasn't seen it. From what I've sourced he and 2-3 other BORTAC agents showed up and after being frustrated with the local PD inaction they defied their orders and breached. These are some men with actual fortitude and sense of duty. Bravo to them.

https://i.imgur.com/JfkeC2A.jpg

Who is going to pay to have security guards at school. If they can't shoot up a school they will just shoot up a park or a chuck e cheese.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8880287/f...ooting-threat/

kids are dumb. in the news article above some 10 year old kid was making threating text to a school.



the government, they have 40 billion dollars to donate to Ukraine with Biden signing off on it.

I don't think that was Manic's point

But republicans want lower taxes and smaller government. You have over 130 thousand schools in the US. You would need what? 2 guards per school plus spares. That's close to 300k people. How are you going to find and train 300K qualified people? Just having someone with a gun in school is not going to do much. They would just be the first targets. I don't thing a security guard with a few weeks training is going to be able to pull out there gun and shoot a person who already has their gun out. Also you have police abuse there power. What makes you think some school guard would not to the same.

After arming the school whats next shopping malls, sports fields, parking lots? Do you want to live in a place where every street corner has an armed guard making $12 a hour?

It’s the American way. Find the most complicated, unrealistic and expensive solution, that’s guaranteed not to work then throw your hands in the air when it doesn’t and say “see! Guns aren’t the problem here!” Even though it’s made it even clearer that they are.

USA! USA! USA!

It's pretty much an everyday thing now I guess.
Not just one a day, but multiple a day.

USA: it's not guns that kills people, it's people who stand in front of moving bullets :accepted::fulloffuck: