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11-10-2022, 08:41 AM
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The core of this team needs a shake up big time.
The players need to made accountable for the team's record, and defensive play.
Jim Rutherford's constant criticism of the team's "loose" structure and absence of a defensive system to the media is just the veteran GM trying to protect his job.
It's easier for JR to put Boudreau under the bus and blame him and his assistant coaches for team's play than blaming it on your core players, like Miller etc.
That being said, Rutherford and Allvin deserve a big chunk of the blame for signing Miller to an extension, and not doing enough to get deals done to get our defence corps better and younger.
If the team really tanks hard this season, would Rutherford and Allvin have the guts to blow the team core and do a proper rebuild?
Trade Horvat before he becomes a free agent next summer? Trade Miller before his contract's no trade clause kicks after the end of this season?
How drastic a change would Rutherford and Allvin do if the team has a really bad season?
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11-10-2022, 09:13 AM
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Well let's be honest here, I don't think any of us would have guessed Miller would play this awful.
He got 99 points last year! On a terrible team! You don't score almost 100 points in this league by accident.
I'm not going to knock anyone for signing him.
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11-10-2022, 09:17 AM
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and he's still a PPG right now, despite the horrible start
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11-10-2022, 09:18 AM
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I think the bigger fuck up was not addressing the defensive core after they talked about it over and over again.
They basically pulled a dim Jim and went along with the status quo as opposed to making any tangible moves. They are incredibly lucky they pulled Kuzmenko otherwise the team would have been almost exactly the same
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11-10-2022, 09:22 AM
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He did say they tried to clear out cap space. I think nobody wanted OEL.
At this point, I think you have to package OEL with Brock or Bo. Pearson also needs to go.
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11-10-2022, 09:24 AM
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Yea I don’t think anyone would have anticipated OEL being this bad so far
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11-10-2022, 09:25 AM
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YOU CANNOT GET RID OF OEL.
He has a 100% NO TRADE and NO MOVEMENT clause until the last day of his contract. He can't be traded, he can't be sent to the minors.
People need to understand this and stop imagining it's possible.
The absolute best scenario with him is that a) he starts playing remarkably better or b) you bench him every single game and he still has some competitive fortitude left in him and agrees to a trade somewhere.
We are 100% stuck with him until 2027.
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11-10-2022, 09:29 AM
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^ yah agree with the fact that it's not the coach, it's the players. How is it that Canucks have 2 players playing elite level (Horvat, Pettersen) and yet still suck so badly in the standings? I know answer ... D and Demko goalie funk.
This mgmt team signed the wrong player to a long term and now has no money for Bo!
And who would take OEL? Around the time of the signing, I do recall the questions of can OEL play better, I guess now we know.
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11-10-2022, 09:44 AM
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That year when we didn’t get OEL before he finally got traded I was pretty hyped about the potential of him coming and having a top pairing dman
I have only watched 2 games this season but needless to say he’s not even a top pairing dman compared to Hughes
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11-10-2022, 10:04 AM
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The "tank for Bedard" posts on this thread are just wishful thinking too.
As long as that midget Bettman is the commissioner, the Canucks' chances of getting the first overall draft pick are very slim at best.
Bad Luck Canucks. Our team gets two good scoring chances in the third period last night vs the Habs. Habs were leading 4-2.
Two scoring chances. Both chances lead to the puck hitting the post.
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11-10-2022, 10:14 AM
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Nobody can really tank for a first pick anymore, the odds are not good compared to the sacrifices required. Even finishing last is only 18.5% chance of first overall.
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11-10-2022, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 68style  Nobody can really tank for a first pick anymore, the odds are not good compared to the sacrifices required. Even finishing last is only 18.5% chance of first overall. | What are the canucks chances of winning the cup this yr? Is it higher than 18.5%? Lol
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11-10-2022, 11:50 AM
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NMC just gives players the final say, doesn't mean they won't ever go.
I think we're going to see some big changes before Christmas.
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11-10-2022, 01:30 PM
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If he waited 2 years to force a trade to here, I don't think he's willing to go anywhere else.... nor will anyone else take on a 5 year NMC for a player that can't meet some very high expectations.
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11-10-2022, 05:44 PM
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Why the hell are the Vegas Knights so good again this year??!! They just missed the playoffs last season (like the Canucks) and now they are tearing it up at like 13-2 ??!!
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11-11-2022, 12:05 PM
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11-13-2022, 06:22 PM
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11-13-2022, 06:40 PM
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The festivities this week from Bieksa's retirement to the HHOF of the Twins+Luongo really puts into perspective on just how lucky we were as Canuck fans.
That team is arguably something of a brotherhood for these guys.
They all speak so highly of their time together and how special it was. Holding everyone accountable for their play.
when that was all done, off ice, nothing but major contributors to the city.
We are so lucky to have seen this group together.
I dunno what the fuck this team is now. Sure there are pieces that could make em a good team, but i still feel like there is zero leadership or accountability with this group.
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11-13-2022, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim Budong The festivities this week from Bieksa's retirement to the HHOF of the Twins+Luongo really puts into perspective on just how lucky we were as Canuck fans.
That team is arguably something of a brotherhood for these guys.
They all speak so highly of their time together and how special it was. Holding everyone accountable for their play.
when that was all done, off ice, nothing but major contributors to the city.
We are so lucky to have seen this group together.
I dunno what the fuck this team is now. Sure there are pieces that could make em a good team, but i still feel like there is zero leadership or accountability with this group. | Going with JT Miller as the locker room leader is looking like a mistake
Especially after letting Chris Tanev go
I don't know anything but Horvat seems like an Yzerman or Sakic type of leader but without the Yzerman or Sakic level of play
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11-13-2022, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim Budong The festivities this week from Bieksa's retirement to the HHOF of the Twins+Luongo really puts into perspective on just how lucky we were as Canuck fans.
That team is arguably something of a brotherhood for these guys.
They all speak so highly of their time together and how special it was. Holding everyone accountable for their play.
when that was all done, off ice, nothing but major contributors to the city.
We are so lucky to have seen this group together.
I dunno what the fuck this team is now. Sure there are pieces that could make em a good team, but i still feel like there is zero leadership or accountability with this group. | My thoughts exactly lol
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11-13-2022, 09:38 PM
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Ive said this like a million times but the defensive coach fucking sux. Baumgartner was complete trash and fired, Brad Shaw was promoted in place of him and suddenly with Boudreau hiring the Canucks have a Top 10 record. For whatever reason Brad Shaw leaves for Philly. And we promote Trent Cull and look at what kind of disaster we are witnessing. Anyways Philly was at the 3rd worse team in terms of goals given up last season.This season they are Top 5. A good D coach can make an Average D corps better than they are. Coaches like Baumgartner and Cull make an average D Corps look AHL level.
Say bye to Horvat, hes gone at the TDL
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11-14-2022, 12:50 AM
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Canucks seriously need to do something about the D. Not much they can do with the players at this point. Changing the defensive coaches is a priority, but I'm not sure if that's going to happen. It sounds like management want to make the players accountable for what's happening on the ice, rather than go through more coaching changes.
But the fact is it's very obvious the defense sucks.
It's not some bad luck that they are either blowing leads or just straight up losing. Their offense is fine, some (or many) games they get the jump. Then the other team plays more desperate in periods 2 or 3, and then the defense is exposed. Simple logic why they can't hold leads. The defense sucks.
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11-14-2022, 05:16 AM
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Tyler Myers is a prime example of the bad defence. He took three penalties in the game against Boston.
He should be called Tyler Minors for the two minute penalties that he keeps taking.
The giraffe is one of our worst defence man.
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11-14-2022, 05:22 AM
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i think the most upsetting thing with this team right now is
how the fuck are they right up against the cap with this kind of effort to show for.
management couldn't get it done, and the players don't seem all that interested in making a positive stride to make something out of this situation.
Bruce gotta make that bold move and scratch Myers or OEL for a game.
Maybe Kuze comes back next game from sitting in the press box and makes magic happen.
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11-14-2022, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Tim Budong i think the most upsetting thing with this team right now is
how the fuck are they right up against the cap with this kind of effort to show for.
management couldn't get it done, and the players don't seem all that interested in making a positive stride to make something out of this situation.
Bruce gotta make that bold move and scratch Myers or OEL for a game.
Maybe Kuze comes back next game from sitting in the press box and makes magic happen. | Another bold move that Bruce needs to make is bench "empty net goal" Tanner Pearson. He does nothing for the team!
At least Kuzmenko has offensive upside compared to Pearson. Boeser has not scored a goal.
There does not seem to be any chemistry between Petey and Mikeyev.
Maybe put Petey back together with Boeser?
The penalty killing unit sucks so bad now!
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