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Japanese Ex-Prime Minister Shinzo Abe assassinated
This happened in the middle of the afternoon today and if the last 2 years of news wasn't already batshit insane, this would be the biggest news story for years... As it is, it's probably Japan's biggest political news since the war ended.
Shinzo Abe was assassinated while campaigning in Nara by a 40 year old man with what appears to be a homemade shotgun of some sort
He served a short time in Japan's version of the Navy. Details coming out are slim, but it appears he claims he thought he was killing someone else. A religious leader of some sort.
2020 hits just keep coming... Who knows what his actual motives were. They don't seem to be political, but the consequences almost certainly will be.
Abe was a hard right nationalist who was a denier of Japan's atrocities during WW2. His grandfather, also a prime minister, was one of Japan's biggest war criminals who was in charge of Manchuria. One of his main campaigns was to reverse Japan's pacifist constitution and strengthen their military, but he was never really able to. But with Russia acting the way they are, and now this, people may start to lean that way.
It was a bit surprising to hear the method used (shot with gun) in initial reports, given Japan's strict ban on guns. The ban was well known to me due to being invested in airsoft, which was created in Japan to cope with gun bans. Gun bans don't stop criminals from getting, or in this case, building guns.
Hope this doesn't escalate tensions between Japan and its neighbours, if this was political. Last thing the world needs right now.
Not recalling Abe's name immediately, did anyone else think the trending of #Abe with this story was some dark reference to the assassination of Abe Lincoln?
RIP Abe, some of his stances were a bit disagreeable, but seems like he was genuinely adored by a lot of world leaders... even India is holding a day of mourning for him.
As suspected someone uses a rare occurrence to prove strict gun control doesn't work.
In other news seatbelts and airbags don't save 100% of lives in a car accident so why bother.
There is a difference between control and bans. I'm all for controlling access to guns and keeping them out of the hands of the mentally unsound, criminals, etc.. Not allowing law abiding citizens to posses guns does nothing to stop criminals from acquiring or making them.
Judging by the seemingly slow reaction by security, the false sense of security of a gun ban and the culture of minimal violence may explain why guards were slow to react to the second shot (reportedly 4 seconds after the first).
Abe was a hard right nationalist who was a denier of Japan's atrocities during WW2. His grandfather, also a prime minister, was one of Japan's biggest war criminals who was in charge of Manchuria. One of his main campaigns was to reverse Japan's pacifist constitution and strengthen their military, but he was never really able to. But with Russia acting the way they are, and now this, people may start to lean that way.
I'd say the above description is only a rather small part of Abe's legacy. He is much better known as being Japan's longest serving Prime Minister, and there are good reasons for it. Abenomics was instrumental in reviving Japan's stagnant economic
On the international stage, Abe has also been very pro-US, pro-Taiwan, and takes a firm stance against China's southeast Pacific aggressions.
There is a difference between control and bans. I'm all for controlling access to guns and keeping them out of the hands of the mentally unsound, criminals, etc.. Not allowing law abiding citizens to posses guns does nothing to stop criminals from acquiring or making them.
Judging by the seemingly slow reaction by security, the false sense of security of a gun ban and the culture of minimal violence may explain why guards were slow to react to the second shot (reportedly 4 seconds after the first).
What a shame, I'm so glad we live in a hyper-violent society afraid of random attacks and shootings all the time so that we can be ever vigilant. Unlike those soft Japanese living in peace who will have no idea what to do in a mass shooter event. You'd never hear of such events happening in a armed hyper-vigilant society like the United States.
And your views are not even opposing.. they're just outright stupidity. ONE guy makes a gun in hundreds of years of a society's existence and you use it as evidence of a movement/platform not working? Mental.
That bullshit "legal gun owner" argument lol.. how many legal gun owners including the Chicago shooter shot someone on July 4th? You're always a legal gun owner until you decide to do something illegal with it. Blah blah blah ad nauseum.
Yah what a tragedy that Japan doesn't expect there to be shootings every day. WHAT A TRAGEDY.
It isn't the right thread? Please do enlighten me, what is the purpose of this thread?
The OP covers so many topics like motive, the gun itself (which when you extrapolate hints at gun access), geo-politics, the views of the victim
, etc. That's pretty broad discussion if you ask me. It should also be note my initial post wasn't to push gun rights, but to highlight the rarity and the lengths criminals will go to get around bans. He literally built a gun with tape. You focused one point while ignoring the rest, because you can't tolerate the slightest difference in opinion in the little eco chamber you are trying to build for you and your comrades.
I mean maybe, but what exactly is the proposed alternative here?
More guns and more shootings! If you go out expecting that you're most likely going to get shot or witness a shooting you're way more likely to be prepared for it. Imagine going to the PNE but this time you're strapped and every person that walks by is a potential target. Is he reaching for a mini donut or a gun? Nothing says freedom like security up the ass everywhere you go just in case shit pops off.
Imagine living in a place where a mass shooting is so rare you aren't quite sure what to do when it happens. Imagine some idiot thinking that's a bad thing?
ONE crazy person (already been surmised, not a criminal, but delusional) did something in HUNDREDS OF YEARS of a society existing and it's your evidence? Japan averages under 10 gun deaths a year. America averages 40,000 a year. Gun ban works very very very very VERY very VERY very well
You want to talk about echo chambers? There's one inside your head just your own voice bouncing around in that empty thing.
I'd say the above description is only a rather small part of Abe's legacy. He is much better known as being Japan's longest serving Prime Minister, and there are good reasons for it. Abenomics was instrumental in reviving Japan's stagnant economic
On the international stage, Abe has also been very pro-US, pro-Taiwan, and takes a firm stance against China's southeast Pacific aggressions.
Yeah it was just a quick blurb off the top of my head posting this, hoping people like you could add to the discussion with good info... This isn't just some guy, he's incredibly important and this assassination will likely have huge consequences.
Also unlike in the US, and increasingly in Canada, being conservative doesn't mean you have to be a nutjob or an idiot like we see in this thread. Sometimes you can just agree on some things, disagree on some others. For many people, a lot of what this guy says (and more importantly, denies happened) is totally unacceptable though, and worth mentioning.
There is a difference between control and bans. I'm all for controlling access to guns and keeping them out of the hands of the mentally unsound, criminals, etc.. Not allowing law abiding citizens to posses guns does nothing to stop criminals from acquiring or making them.
Judging by the seemingly slow reaction by security, the false sense of security of a gun ban and the culture of minimal violence may explain why guards were slow to react to the second shot (reportedly 4 seconds after the first).
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