imagine hacking the car to avoid the subscription fees, just like a cracked game lol

I'd totally expect people to do that. At the same time, I'd also expect manufacturers to sue these people if they publicize the steps required to do so. And then it'll come down to some sort of court battle for the right to repair.

like hacking game consoles, i expect the manufacturer to void any warranty, and try to ban your vehicle from any updates etc (other than recalls and items of safety nature)?

would ICBC be "OK" with you "modd'ing" your car's software/main processor? even if it was completely safe i can't see an insurance company wanting to touch that with a 10' pole and just say "nah - claim denied"

if they sell their car as "base" at a base price, and then offer all these upgrades for fees, maybe there's a market for that ala carte method.

but i can see them being greedy as fuck and pricing their cars above base AND wanting a piece of this pie...they'll fuck it up i'm sure :lol

I am pretty sure someone will make some type of after market programmer that you would plug into the ODB2 port to unlock everything. My buddy worked on an after market programmer for diesel trucks.

They making cars way too complicated. At this point, is the car even yours? With a touch of a button BMW can stop all your subscription, stop your vehicle or lock you out entirely lol.

Private modder shall profit.

i remember when i crammed wireless carplay into my beater when it was only offered from factory at the time through bmw subscription :alonehappy:

This is kinda false. Kia/Hyundai have their app, and yes it does include remote start...but you still get remote start on the key, which you can use perpetually.

The "app" part of it allows you to start the car from anywhere in the world, and is decidedly not a fundamental feature of the car.

It's like buying a smart TV and yelling at the Costco guy that Netflix doesn't work if you don't pay for it. Very different than the shittiness BMW is pulling here.

BMW USA has now made official statements on the controversial subscriptions for certain Function on Demand features (i.e. heated seat subscription in Korea).
Statements via BMWUSA Twitter: https://twitter.com/BMWUSA/status/15...QvQZ9uMi2eFYKw

for now.... all those fuckers see's is money signs.

This is so dumb, never would I ever.

:rukidding: what's next? Pay a subscription to use your A/C in your car?

^ dont give them ideas loool

Only a matter of time before this gets hacked.
My question is when that happens, will BMW Service have a way of detecting this and any changes made to the BCM or whatever version of their module is and find a way to void warranty

Doesn't Tesla already have ways of detecting changes? Wouldn't be surprising if they (manufacturers) all have ways.

BMW service already has ways of detecting people that tune their cars...

It will be cat and mouse with hackers. A company was selling a performance hack for Tesla's.

https://electrek.co/2020/08/22/tesla...ormance-boost/

I believe that each time you get an over the air update, it would wipe out any changes made.


Tesla does offer subscription services already. The most common one is the Premium Connectivity. This offers live traffic alerts on your nav screen as well as an lte connection so you can stream music, youtube, netflix and other services. They also offer a subscription service to Full Self Driving.

Anyone know these subscription transfer to new owners? Since everything is connected to your smart phone how would that work? Would the old owners still have access to the car?

im on the lexus subscription crap right now for both the RX and the LC.

In both instances if you wanna sell the car, you can cancel your subscription and they will reactivate with the new owner. You download this herp a derp app that can remote start / lock unlock / track your trips and even give lame comments regarding how fast you are driving.

https://i.postimg.cc/G3xpHXq4/IMG-3888.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/MKZpR1Fd/IMG-3889.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/kXjXyBr9/IMG-3890.jpg

So harsh. Tracking everything.

yeh my wife likes it. she can find out every time i go see the mistress.

^^ so what about those subscriptions that you pay lifetime for? Will new owners get that or will manufacturer double dip? Just like parking stalls if you pay by phone. Lol.

To show your Watermelon? :ifyouknow:

I don’t think there is a life time subscription. Only yearly for Lexus.