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Hondaracer 11-06-2023 09:14 AM

4000 children killed so far in what, 3 weeks?

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...-4000-un-warns

It’s ok though, they’re our allies. Lol what a crock of shit

mikemhg 11-06-2023 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9114306)
4000 children killed so far in what, 3 weeks?

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...-4000-un-warns

It’s ok though, they’re our allies. Lol what a crock of shit

Stop being anti-Semitic :lol

inv4zn 11-06-2023 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9114306)
4000 children killed so far in what, 3 weeks?

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...-4000-un-warns

It’s ok though, they’re our allies. Lol what a crock of shit

It's absolutely terrible, but honestly speaking, what did anyone think would happen?

Like if I punched a sleeping bear in the face, and then ran to a playground as it chased me where it mauled a bunch of children, is the blame really solely with the bear?

68style 11-06-2023 12:23 PM

Yes. Israel isn't a stupid bear that can't discriminate between things or fighting another species... although your description does account for Israel referring to Palestinians as less than human.

Think of it this way instead... a white supremacist kills a bunch of black people and then goes into a room with 99 other white people in it and someone locks the door. As a black person, do you blow up the entire room of white people because that 1 bad one went in there?

That's more like what's actually happening.

inv4zn 11-06-2023 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9114357)
Yes. Israel isn't a stupid bear that can't discriminate between things or fighting another species... although your description does account for Israel referring to Palestinians as less than human.

Think of it this way instead... a white supremacist kills a bunch of black people and then goes into a room with 99 other white people in it and someone locks the door. As a black person, do you blow up the entire room of white people because that 1 bad one went in there?

That's more like what's actually happening.

lol, wat.

Ok, then using your example, what if the room the white supremacist killer went back to is the local KKK headquarters where they have no desire to weed out the "1" bad one?

EvoFire 11-06-2023 01:36 PM

Not sure how much "democracy" is in Palestine, but it seems like the people that "elected" Hamas to run the show, and therefore they reap what they sow. Killing children is horrible, but like that video a few pages back where the dad eggs the child on to try and get the soldiers to do something. Yeah there's definitely that going on. The Palestinians can't exactly wash their hands of the whole thing and be like "hurdurr the Israelis are monsters we did nothing wrong"

In the same vein Netanyahu disregarded warnings from the Egyptians, people that two decades ago probably wanted them all dead. It's different and yet the trust isn't there and that's on the Israelis.

68style 11-06-2023 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by inv4zn (Post 9114359)
lol, wat.

Ok, then using your example, what if the room the white supremacist killer went back to is the local KKK headquarters where they have no desire to weed out the "1" bad one?

That's not the situation here.

Gaza is mostly populated by innocent civilians and peaceful Palestinians.

I mean come on, Israel is verbatim doing what I illustrated... oh we bombed that building because there's a tunnel under there. Yah it wasn't a military building but oh wellzlol

SkinnyPupp 11-06-2023 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9114306)
4000 children killed so far in what, 3 weeks?

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...-4000-un-warns

It’s ok though, they’re our allies. Lol what a crock of shit

Who says it's ok?

Hondaracer 11-06-2023 02:41 PM

Trudeau when he abstained from the vote for a ceasefire?

Guy won’t miss a opportunity to vitue signal though, ya abstained on the cease fire but ya cry when a reporter shoves a mic in your face.

Guess he forgot about canadas new moto of “all children matter” when more kids die in bomb blasts in 3 weeks than all the residential school kids combined? Lol eh fuck it, they’re off in some other place.

donk. 11-06-2023 03:14 PM

Not sure if this is propaganda, or real, but if it's real, I hope everyone inside those cars is locked in a cell and raped for 365 days.

https://youtube.com/shorts/1lRzmaB64...gAUoXCsGY9JUv7

SkinnyPupp 11-06-2023 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9114387)
Trudeau when he abstained from the vote for a ceasefire?

Guy won’t miss a opportunity to vitue signal though, ya abstained on the cease fire but ya cry when a reporter shoves a mic in your face.

Guess he forgot about canadas new moto of “all children matter” when more kids die in bomb blasts in 3 weeks than all the residential school kids combined? Lol eh fuck it, they’re off in some other place.

Canada wanted to amend the resolution to directly condemn the Hamas terrorist attack (which would open them up to other actions internationally), that's why they abstained. They needed 2/3 support to get the amendment but got 1/2

Hondaracer 11-06-2023 04:46 PM

Clown boy is terrified to even mention cease fire

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/what-a-jok...010228880.html

Imagine having to backtrack on calling a ceasefire that has killed 4000 children lol. I’m sure there’s a very good reason though..outside of the aforementioned power/influence heheh

Traum 11-06-2023 04:55 PM

If I have been understanding things correctly, Trudeau has been calling for a "humanitarian truce". While "truce" and "ceasefire" may pretty much mean the same thing to us layman, in international legalese, they have quite a different meaning.

"Ceasefire" means something along the lines of "sustained lack of military operations, with negotiations involved to secure a longer term peace". On the other hand, "humanitarian truce" means a shorter period of no fighting to provide a window to facilitate the delivery of humanitarian supplies.

You can still call Turd names for not stepping up to call for a "ceasefire", but it isn't like Turd is staying completely quite, and abstaining from calling Israel out for its atrocities.

Great68 11-06-2023 05:54 PM

I find it ironic that a few pages ago people were showing skepticism of the Oct 7 brutalities, saying claims of Hamas specifically trying to target children (With maps, that apparently were photoshopped)

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Even this is like ehhh.. 10 minutes in photoshop I haven’t used in 15 years could come up with something
Yet, believing that reports of "4000 dead children" in Gaza, which comes from an entity controlled by Hamas, is factually accurate information...

westopher 11-06-2023 06:08 PM

The WHO is reporting those numbers as accurate.

Hondaracer 11-06-2023 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 9114412)
I find it ironic that a few pages ago people were showing skepticism of the Oct 7 brutalities, saying claims of Hamas specifically trying to target children (With maps, that apparently were photoshopped)



Yet, believing that reports of "4000 dead children" in Gaza, which comes from an entity controlled by Hamas, is factually accurate information...

Well yea.. it’s basically mad max with guns from 40 years ago on the Hamas side VS modern aircraft loaded with modern bombs that can level entire blocks on the Israeli side. Not too hard to believe

JDMDreams 11-07-2023 11:42 AM

So what about rockets launched from hezbollah? Killing Innocents? Fake news? Turkey as a NATO member stirring up shit? Backed by trump? You think with the technology that they have if the idf really want to kill civilians it would take a month to kill 4000 when your best guys hamas can kill like 1300 in 6 hours? Are you trying to save civilians or save Hamas? Did you hear about Hamas snipping their civilians when idf tried to move civilians out of the war zone? What about the 200+ hostages that the hamas still hav? Let them die? Make Palestine great again?

underscore 11-07-2023 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9114371)
Gaza is mostly populated by innocent civilians and peaceful Palestinians.

Also iirc 50% of their population is under 18.

Hondaracer 11-07-2023 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDMDreams (Post 9114500)
So what about rockets launched from hezbollah? Killing Innocents? Fake news? Turkey as a NATO member stirring up shit? Backed by trump? You think with the technology that they have if the idf really want to kill civilians it would take a month to kill 4000 when your best guys hamas can kill like 1300 in 6 hours? Are you trying to save civilians or save Hamas? Did you hear about Hamas snipping their civilians when idf tried to move civilians out of the war zone? What about the 200+ hostages that the hamas still hav? Let them die? Make Palestine great again?

Wat

Great68 11-07-2023 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by westopher (Post 9114415)
The WHO is reporting those numbers as accurate.

The WHO receives those reports from the Gaza Health Ministry. Who do you think runs the Gaza Health Ministry?

Directly from the WHO release:
https://www.who.int/news/item/03-11-...-agencies-warn

"As of 3 November, according to Ministry of Health data "

And from Wiki:

"Following the 2007 Hamas takeover of Gaza, a month-long doctors' strike ensued due to political disputes. The new Gaza government, with Basem Naim as Health Minister, replaced Fatah-affiliated hospital directors and staff with Hamas loyalists."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Health_Ministry

westopher 11-07-2023 12:49 PM

Why would the WHO back those numbers if they didn't find them believable? They have gone on record and confirmed that they believe those numbers to be true.
They could very easily have answered the question with "that's what was reported"

Great68 11-07-2023 01:03 PM

Where have they stated they confirm those numbers are accurate?

Hence the "According to Ministry of Health" qualifier.

No outside organization has been allowed in to do an actual count.

If you want an example, look at the death toll that was reported in that Hospital explosion, the ministry reported over 500 dead at first. Then the next day revised that number lower, and then other intelligence agencies estimated even lower than that. And then it turned out that was a misfired rocket that killed their own people.

westopher 11-07-2023 01:06 PM

I just saw a story on the news saying that Israel said the numbers were much lower, but a representative from the WHO believed the numbers reported to be accurate. I took it at face value and didn't confirm somewhere, which means maybe it's bullshit? But either way, that's what was reported pretty much verbatim.
After a quick google United Nations aid providers are also claiming the numbers to be likely accurate, and also say 88 aid workers have been killed. The highest in any conflict in such a short period.

westopher 11-07-2023 01:19 PM

Only partially related to what we are talking about when it comes to numbers, but a very good read of the personal cost to those who advocate for what's right.
https://apple.news/AL2YqwokrTPaQsdiw48uaUw

JDMDreams 11-07-2023 02:07 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....-by-hamas/amp/

In the video posted on X, a man films the carnage as he rides a bicycle down the Al Rasheed beach road, crying out in anguish the camera focuses on the dead bodies, many of them lying in pools of blood.

In a separate post, author and journalist Amjad Taha said the victims were among “dozens” killed by Hamas snipers, including women and children, because “they do not want citizens to leave.”

“They want to use them as human shields and will kill anyone who attempts to leave. Hamas terrorists in Gaza will, as usual, blame #Israel because it is easy and there is media that accepts this propaganda,” he wrote.


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