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To someone who commented why would we believe Hamas in terms of deaths.
You're right, I firmly believe they're likely inflating some of these deaths, especially when mentioning they're all "women and children".
The difference is that the health ministry are in fact releasing IDs and names of those who died, and the pictures of the destruction are pretty evident that roughly 10K have died.
The baby beheading story was completely fabricated and to this day was never proven or substantiated.
no one even blinks an eye on Ukraine now. Say good bye trying to get funding and flying to every country trying to get help.
News = gets votes = gets exposure. Ukraine.. you just got dumped.
No news are ever accurate. Both sides will always say they did this and that and numbers are numbers. Did we not learn anything from Trump and is inflated issues with loans and worth.
No one will back down. Back then we had Saddam Hussein and bin ladin. We pinned it on people. Now we are pinning it on a movement. You can wipe out a movement or ideology. Maybe that's just me.
It's fast approaching winter in Ukraine, so there isn't nearly as much military actioning happening. Russia is still trying to bomb Ukraine, esp on their energy infrastructure. There is still a steady feed of Ukraine news if you follow European news, but there really isn't too much they can do for now, other than to hunker down and weather through the season and Russian bombardment.
no one even blinks an eye on Ukraine now. Say good bye trying to get funding and flying to every country trying to get help.
News = gets votes = gets exposure. Ukraine.. you just got dumped.
lol if you honestly believe actual world governments are as easily swayed by whatever they see on reddit, then your worldview is completely fucked. The average Joe may not care as much about Ukraine but as sure as shit governments still do.
lol if you honestly believe actual world governments are as easily swayed by whatever they see on reddit, then your worldview is completely fucked. The average Joe may not care as much about Ukraine but as sure as shit governments still do.
Like, c'mon.
They're right about media coverage, but you're right that they're not going to suddenly drop the issue lol... Well unless Trump somehow gets elected
The average Joe may not care as much about Ukraine but as sure as shit governments still do.
Honest question. Not trolling. I really do not know how Canada benefiting in sending financial aid to Ukraine. Maybe US or some other parts of the world, sending aircrafts, ammo = increase in GDP, gov't spending from all the military spend... but htat's really all I can think of.
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Would you rather spend billions, potentially get drafted and lose hundreds of thousands of Canadians fighting Russia in WW3 after it takes over Ukraine + other former USSR countries and then sets its sights on Poland, etc?
What billions? Do you think the new immigrants buddy guys, or China wechat bois will fight for Canada? Maybe the anti vax but I'm sure everyone else will book it back out.
Whatever form it comes in -- drafting, aggressive recruitment efforts, voluntary enlistment -- a whole lot of Canadians of different ethnicities will be sent to the front lines if the Russia-Ukraine war expands to a much larger region in Europe. That's essentially what 68style is alluding to.
I have no particular good or ill will towards him, but remember that Harjit Sajjan (our former defence minister) was born in India, and he was deployed to Afghanistan a number of times. I have a friend whose twin brothers grew up in Vancouver, and they are both in the reserves.
The "billions" that 69style mentioned is money, not soldiers. (After all, Canada only has a population of ~39M.)
Lol no one here is going to be forcibly "sent to the front lines". If NATO comes into direct conflict with Russia the whole world is fucked. End of times.
Whatever form it comes in -- drafting, aggressive recruitment efforts, voluntary enlistment -- a whole lot of Canadians of different ethnicities will be sent to the front lines if the Russia-Ukraine war expands to a much larger region in Europe. That's essentially what 68style is alluding to.
I have no particular good or ill will towards him, but remember that Harjit Sajjan (our former defence minister) was born in India, and he was deployed to Afghanistan a number of times. I have a friend whose twin brothers grew up in Vancouver, and they are both in the reserves.
The "billions" that 69style mentioned is money, not soldiers. (After all, Canada only has a population of ~39M.)
Everything you talked about there was done voluntarily.
And as for Sajjan, the guy is the poster boy for stolen valour. Not exactly apt comparisons to Canada suddenly enlisting people who have trouble interacting with cashiers at grocery stores.
Canada is pumping all this money to Ukraine because they have never met their NATO or defence obligations, so in typical JT liberal fashion, you throw a bunch of money at the problem blindly and hope it quiets people down for a bit.
Didn’t Slovakia and Poland come out and say they are no longer going to financially support the effort? Why should Canada if countries who are literally on the door step of the war don’t?
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Poland come out and say they are no longer going to financially support the effort? Why should Canada if countries who are literally on the door step of the war don’t?
Come on dude, that was a misinterpreted sound byte and clarified months ago.
They meant they were not sending new weapons they were receiving from the USA for their own military, Abrams tanks, HIMARS etc to rearm their own army.
They were continuing to send their older weapons already committed to Ukraine
Everything you talked about there was done voluntarily.
And as for Sajjan, the guy is the poster boy for stolen valour. Not exactly apt comparisons to Canada suddenly enlisting people who have trouble interacting with cashiers at grocery stores.
Canada is pumping all this money to Ukraine because they have never met their NATO or defence obligations, so in typical JT liberal fashion, you throw a bunch of money at the problem blindly and hope it quiets people down for a bit.
Didn’t Slovakia and Poland come out and say they are no longer going to financially support the effort? Why should Canada if countries who are literally on the door step of the war don’t?
Poland had a spat with Ukraine over wheat imports, but support has resumed.
I don't know about Slovakia.
I never thought of it as covering our under contribution to NATO, it convoluted way it kind of makes sense, but I don't think we are blindly throwing money at it. The stage doesn't allow us to throw people at it, not that I think there's any appetite to so throwing money and legislation (sanctions) is what Canada will do.
To add context to the grain spat, Poland allowed Ukraine to transport their grain destined for Africa through their country.
That grain was ending up flooding into the Polish market rather than making it out to it's proper destination. Since Poland is part of the EU, their local grain market is subject to EU regulations and market pricing. Obviously this presents a problem where the local market is going to be seriously undercut and get hurt.
It was a reasonable concern.
They came to angreement in October that the grain shipments would no longer stop at the Polish border, and instead transit directly to Lithuania's port.
Seeing as we live in a democracy, and how the next election will likely he largely impacted on getting rid of the carbon tax, which directly effects Canadians, don’t see why they wouldn’t also poll the idea of cutting funding for foreign wars.
I think it’s pretty safe to say Canada as a whole would unanimously support cutting this steady flow of cash to them. Yes I get the political games that have to be played in the background, but I’m sure there are more than enough examples within Europe who aren’t “pulling their weight” with similar or greater populations, and far more to lose if Russia was to succeed.
Eventually we have to stop playing these games about being the global good guy and bring shit back home. This isn’t some crazy right wing isolationist mentality, it’s just looking at the state we are in in Canada and how far the type of money we are handing out would go to fix our own issues.
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