Israel/Palestine Conflict (2023)

[!LittleDragon]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

this is why organized religion sucks. Its the root cause of so much human suffering throughout the ages

its funny how all these religions are based on principles of "peace"

We're just another species on this planet and we fight each other for the same reasons why other species fight each other. Resources and territory.

Religion is just what we came up with to justify our actions so we can shift the blame to someone else... lol...

[Hondaracer]

Religion killed more people than all wars combined. It’s also used for justification or at least the coverup for the most heinous of crimes. See: tens of thousands of molestations and child absurers from single sects of the Catholic Church ie. the Boston clergy etc.

Canada abstains from the UN resolution calling to withdraw from the West Bank

Follow da $$$$

[whitev70r]

so what religions are at war in the Middle East right now? Or in Russia & Ukraine.

Netanyahu is the least religious 'Jew' there is. The age old conflict in the Middle East has gone way past 'religion'. Some Jews I know are the most secular people I know. It's mostly culture, race, and ethnicity imo.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

so what religions are at war in the Middle East right now? Or in Russia & Ukraine.

Netanyahu is the least religious 'Jew' there is. The age old conflict in the Middle East has gone way past 'religion'. Some Jews I know are the most secular people I know. It's mostly culture, race, and ethnicity imo.

They are literally fighting over land they deem theirs as per their interpretation of THEIR book lol..

Israel has killed more people in a few months than Russia has in 2 years.

[Badhobz]

YouTube

this is why i like foreign media like DW and south china post.

[EvoFire]

I have to agree, this is terrorism by Israel. Funny though it doesn't sound like Hezbollah is coming out and calling it that. There's going to be a tit for tat response from them.

I know you guys are all calling Israel out for killing lots of civilians in Palestine, but I have less sympathy for Palestinians because the people elected Hamas to govern Palestine. The people you elected and endorsed start shit and you reap what you sow. Before the whole music festival attack, things were tense but nothing major was happening.

[pastarocket]

-listened to City News1130 this morning during my commute to work about this conflict.

A former CIA operative was interviewed about the Israeli conflict with Hezbollah.

He thinks that all these attacks involving pagers and walkie talkies are just a precursor to wider scale war.

That operative thinks that Israel will launch a ground offensive against Hezbollah.

Things are about to escalate between the IDF and Hezbollah.

[whitev70r]

I think it's already started ... the bombing into Southern Lebanon & Hezbollah.

Yah, the devices were probably strategically phase 1 ... Israel will call it a 'pre-emptive' strike to prevent terrorist attacks on Israel.

https://abcnews.go.com/International...y?id=113833089

[westopher]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

I have to agree, this is terrorism by Israel. Funny though it doesn't sound like Hezbollah is coming out and calling it that. There's going to be a tit for tat response from them.

I know you guys are all calling Israel out for killing lots of civilians in Palestine, but I have less sympathy for Palestinians because the people elected Hamas to govern Palestine. The people you elected and endorsed start shit and you reap what you sow. Before the whole music festival attack, things were tense but nothing major was happening.

A) the 15000 or so dead children didn't vote for them
B) the only reason Hamas is in power was because they would fight against the illegal occupation and evictions that Israel has been doing for decades as they pushed Palestinians into areas that are maybe 1/20th of the land that was rightfully theirs.

[unit]

if israel killed my family and stole my land you better believe i'd be signing up with hamas or at least electing them

[Badhobz]

Knock knock !

Who is it ?!?’

Hamas !!!!

*explodes*

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

this is why i like foreign media like DW and south china post.

SCMP is right to call it terrorism this time. However, in general, I am very skeptical of many viewpoints that SCMP is holding now, esp this editor dude Yoden Lhatoo.

For many years now, SCMP has become very pro-China, and a lot of their views are just biased. It has almost reached the point of "China good", "western countries bad" sort of level. They also have a tendency to paint a really rosy picture of anything China-related, so I wouldn't consider them to be an impartial news media at all.

DW, on the other hand, is very good. Always insightful, and they always get subject matter experts to share their views.

[whitev70r]

To drink the 'China is great' koolaid and a different take on world news outside of China, SMCP is not bad.

[Badhobz]

well they have to be pro china, otherwise, they'll get shut the fuck down just like apple news. SMCP at least is based out of hong kong and their office is right ontop of a major shopping center that my wife visits all the time, its a cool place and SMCP itself has a long history

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

I have to agree, this is terrorism by Israel. Funny though it doesn't sound like Hezbollah is coming out and calling it that. There's going to be a tit for tat response from them.

I know you guys are all calling Israel out for killing lots of civilians in Palestine, but I have less sympathy for Palestinians because the people elected Hamas to govern Palestine. The people you elected and endorsed start shit and you reap what you sow. Before the whole music festival attack, things were tense but nothing major was happening.

This argument has to stop being parroted, as it's wildly untrue.

Guess when the last election was had in Palestine? 2006.

The median age in Palestine is 20.

That means the average person in Palestine during the last election was 2 years old, meaning most people in Palestine currently did not vote for Hamas. Not only that, voter turnout back then was abysmal at best back then.

To make that argument sound even more ridiculous would be to say Americans today (who were not of voting age in the year 2000) are guilty of supporting the Iraq War because George W was voted in back in 2000.

It's a completely stupid argument that carries no value when you actually think about it.

[Badhobz]

https://youtu.be/dw4yEhcGjq0?si=YCLhjRBW3aX9BBQr

Oh shit. Hezbollah says this act is a declaration of war

Well there goes my Middle East vacation.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

This argument has to stop being parroted, as it's wildly untrue.

Guess when the last election was had in Palestine? 2006.

The median age in Palestine is 20.

That means the average person in Palestine during the last election was 2 years old, meaning most people in Palestine currently did not vote for Hamas. Not only that, voter turnout back then was abysmal at best back then.

To make that argument sound even more ridiculous would be to say Americans today (who were not of voting age in the year 2000) are guilty of supporting the Iraq War because George W was voted in back in 2000.

It's a completely stupid argument that carries no value when you actually think about it.

That's fair given those facts.

But why has no new elections been called? Would that be called complacent then?

[whitev70r]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

That's fair given those facts.

But why has no new elections been called? Would that be called complacent then?

complicit ...

But still no, not complicit as gov't, Hamas, probably act more like dictators vs. true democracy and voting. See Venezuela 'election'.

[westopher]

lol do you know how voting works in third world countries? It's not the same as here. Like they don't even count the votes. Its just like how Putin keeps getting "elected"

[JDMDreams]

Can women even vote?

[SkinnyPupp]

You don't blame citizens under a dictatorship for being under a dictatorship. Good lord

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

That's fair given those facts.

But why has no new elections been called? Would that be called complacent then?

Hamas isn't exactly "holding" elections

Funny enough, Israel have been the ones that have been ensuring Hamas stays in power, and doesn't hold elections.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-ye...-in-our-faces/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

Israel's own Prime Minister even admitted this fact:

"In an interview with Politico in 2023, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that "In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas." He continued saying "Gaza was on the brink of collapse because they had no resources, they had no money, and the PA refused to give Hamas any money. Bibi saved them. Bibi made a deal with Qatar and they started to move millions and millions of dollars to Gaza."

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

You don't blame citizens under a dictatorship for being under a dictatorship. Good lord

I don't buy it. There isn't any disruptions, and support for Hamas seems strong amongst Palestinians. Sure maybe a lot of them don't care, but they also don't care enough to change.

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Hamas isn't exactly "holding" elections

Funny enough, Israel have been the ones that have been ensuring Hamas stays in power, and doesn't hold elections.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-ye...-in-our-faces/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

Israel's own Prime Minister even admitted this fact:

"In an interview with Politico in 2023, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that "In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas." He continued saying "Gaza was on the brink of collapse because they had no resources, they had no money, and the PA refused to give Hamas any money. Bibi saved them. Bibi made a deal with Qatar and they started to move millions and millions of dollars to Gaza."

That's interesting. Can't say I am well versed in the happenings in that region of the world, just basics.

[MG1]

IDF = Israel Defense Forces………………. Hmmmmmm………….

[JDMDreams]

You do know that is this all Iran right? They are the ones fueling this and putting the orders. Palestine and Lebanon are just the disposable pawns.