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Hondaracer 10-10-2023 02:19 PM

In the last 10 years muslims have made up almost 20% of all immigration:

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail...1026b-eng.htm#

I haven’t heard that women and children thing in a decade. Pretty sure anyone and everyone is being taken in now unless you’re coming from an active Warzone, and even then the screening seemed highly suspect.

Manic! 10-10-2023 02:19 PM

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...tz-2023-10-10/

100 plus dead at an Israeli kibbutz. Many believed to be from Thailand.

https://youtu.be/WZBTXaclQV0?si=UOC0704CgQVPw3Ad

Great68 10-10-2023 03:37 PM

I never followed the whole middle east thing in great detail, but I always thought I had some sympathies to the plight of the Palestinians.

But beheading babies? That's a new kind disgusting savage that I don't think could ever be reasoned with.

Fuck 'em, wipe them all out.

underscore 10-10-2023 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLOW (Post 9111439)
is the religion stat even relevant?

isn't it the fringe minority/few causing a majority of the problems though?

The "concern" was over someone who claimed they were going to take over Canada and implement sharia law. As you said the problems come from a fringe minority but even if you're one of those weird people who thinks every single Muslim is thinking that you're still only talking about a tiny portion of the population. Some random guy can make all the sound bites he wants for the news, they aren't taking over jack shit here.

Hondaracer 10-10-2023 03:56 PM

“Fringe minority truckers doing no harm whatsoever - “omg!! They are destroying Canada!!”

Fringe religious groups who literally want nothing but for you and others to live their oppressive backward lifestyles - “no biggy”

:troll:

underscore 10-10-2023 04:17 PM

Even by your standards that's a weak ass comparison. You didn't read what I actually wrote so I'm not surprised though.

Even ignoring the difference between doing something and thinking something, how long do you think Muslims would've been allowed to block a border crossing or harass the citizens of the nations capital?

Manic! 10-10-2023 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9111463)
“Fringe minority truckers doing no harm whatsoever - “omg!! They are destroying Canada!!”

Fringe religious groups who literally want nothing but for you and others to live their oppressive backward lifestyles - “no biggy”

:troll:

None of the leaders were truckers. The leaders wanted to replace the government.

From the save the children convoy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/themayormcc...d_terror_plot/

Quote:

Save the Children Convoy’ Leaders Plotted to Capture Police and MPs at Secret Meetings, Participants Allege

Participants say convoy leaders held secret meetings where they allegedly shared plans to send convoys to Toronto, Ottawa and Tofino

During secret planning meetings, leaders of a convoy inspired by far-right pedophile conspiracies allegedly told participants they planned to round-up police officers and Members of Parliament in Toronto and Ottawa, before sending a final convoy to Tofino, British Columbia to “take the head off the snake.”
For some reason, they think Tofino is the home base for Freemasons.

Hondaracer 10-10-2023 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by underscore (Post 9111464)
Even by your standards that's a weak ass comparison. You didn't read what I actually wrote so I'm not surprised though.

Even ignoring the difference between doing something and thinking something, how long do you think Muslims would've been allowed to block a border crossing or harass the citizens of the nations capital?

Wait 20 years. Even during Covid wasn’t there religious reasons you could forgo the vaccine VS the regular pleb who’d get fired otherwise?

There’s war in the streets and there’s war in the Middle East - Tupac circa 1992

MG1 10-10-2023 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9111466)
None of the leaders were truckers. The leaders wanted to replace the government.

From the save the children convoy.

Did someone say, "CONVOY?"

Spoiler!

GLOW 10-10-2023 07:50 PM

damn you went straight to the source, i didn't get a chance to post this first


danned 10-10-2023 09:36 PM

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aDYLYBx_460s.jpg

inv4zn 10-10-2023 10:23 PM

^shit like this is why the world is in turmoil.

Ukraine was largely happy on its own, doing its own thing, when Putin decided to invade them. They are defending their country.

Palestine, while largely and unfairly oppressed, poked the big bad bear next to it by killing civilians at a dancy party, then went on beheading civilians.

You think you're some witty edgelord attacking MSM with a picture like that, but it's just ignorant.

inv4zn 10-10-2023 10:31 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/10/middl...ntl/index.html

Truly fucked up.

Though one must wonder - is Hamas playing 3D chess by doing horrendous things and coercing Israel/west to over-react, and then use that as more fodder for their cause? Or are they truly just fucked way up.

One good analogy from Reddit, is that what Hamas is doing is the equivalent of slapping a bear in the face, then running into an elementary school and letting the bear maul the students. And then you can advocate for killing bears.

Either way, truly fucked up.

But not as fucked up as this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...hamas-attacks/

inv4zn 10-10-2023 10:35 PM

In Vancouver:
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/2-women-say-th...uver-1.6596474

JDMDreams 10-10-2023 11:36 PM

Ooooo missiles launched from Syria and Lebanon, I wonder what the US is gonna do make Israel great again? Convenient time for China to take Taiwan :ahwow:

SkinnyPupp 10-11-2023 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inv4zn (Post 9111492)
One good analogy from Reddit, is that what Hamas is doing is the equivalent of slapping a bear in the face, then running into an elementary school and letting the bear maul the students. And then you can advocate for killing bears.

It's literally the intent of their attacks. And it sucks because people want to support innocent Palestinians, but you have some perhaps well meaning but very confused people who end up supporting Hamas terrorists instead, or going after Jews, as we saw in this thread. (or for some, they're just anti-Semitic to begin with, and this is just their opportunity to show it openly).

AzNightmare 10-11-2023 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDMDreams (Post 9111495)
Ooooo missiles launched from Syria and Lebanon, I wonder what the US is gonna do make Israel great again? Convenient time for China to take Taiwan :ahwow:

Are Syria and Lebanon allies with Palestine?
3 on 1 now?

Hondaracer 10-11-2023 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 9111496)
It's literally the intent of their attacks. And it sucks because people want to support innocent Palestinians, but you have some perhaps well meaning but very confused people who end up supporting Hamas terrorists instead, or going after Jews, as we saw in this thread. (or for some, they're just anti-Semitic to begin with, and this is just their opportunity to show it openly).

Lol ffs..

First off, there is this overarching idea in this thread that Palestinians = Hamas, which is not true.

Secondly, half a century of oppression and active “war crimes” against the Palestinians and their territory has brought us to this place. As laid out in the OP, as detailed in the UN report I posted, as well documented countless times over and over again for more than half a century.

So let’s get ya to think a little critically once again and get passed why Canada/USA supports Israel. Israel has nothing to offer in terms of contributions laterally. If Canada or the US were ever in a similar position Israel would do -nothing- Israel’s GDP is that of some African nations, they don’t have resources, they keep their R&D in house, etc etc. what a great “Ally”

So besides the very important aspects which you somehow perceive as “anti-Semitic” it boils down to the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Israel is the USA’s back door to the Middle East, all the while their own outbursts and land grabs are akin to Russia VS Ukraine, Israel does it to scary muslims living in rubble so it’s accepted by the western world.

If you don’t think the power, wealth, and influence, Jewish people have the world over isn’t a reason that western society backs them, you’re just being obtuse.

It’s also quite funny there’s so much “support” for Israel when their current govt. is about as hard right as you can possibly get. And Really deep down they are preaching ethnic purity. But hey, that’s ok it’s not really effecting us and those people look white to me? *shrugs*

Hondaracer 10-11-2023 06:37 AM

Look at this list of influential Jews, don’t worry skinny, it’s from the Jerusalem post, so you don’t have to get triggered:

https://m.jpost.com/jewish-world/jew...hest-jews-1-10

You might as well re-post this list as the most powerful Americans lol.. the biggest most influential companies in tech, media, finance, lol

68style 10-11-2023 07:12 AM

I'm not arguing the post, but I have to ask... why does it matter if a bunch of Jewish people are powerful? Or, rather, why is it painted like it's a negative thing? I think that's where the perception of anti-semitism comes in. It sounds like people complaining about it don't like a particular ethnic group having control over a lot of things.

Well... welcome to the feeling of being a minority then I guess? lol

Hondaracer 10-11-2023 07:35 AM

Because if they weren’t, the US wouldn’t be moving aircraft carriers there lol

It moreso relates to Canada etc. “supporting” our ally’s, Canada and the US would have no reason to support Israel otherwise. Does Israel have values in common with any North American nation? Lol

As I said before, as an “ally” they are useless. Especially to Canada. They have nothing to offer, they provide nothing unilaterally. The support we provide is because the influence and power their people bring.

Look at that Ford green belt controversy. Two of the developers involved are Jewish.

If some other country in the Middle East who was our “ally” had something like this happen no one would care lol.. you have mayors of Canadian cities condemning the attacks and shitting on Palestine why? The reasons aforementioned.

Like any war, this isn’t about the Israeli people, it’s about $$$$$$

pastarocket 10-11-2023 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9111502)
I'm not arguing the post, but I have to ask... why does it matter if a bunch of Jewish people are powerful? Or, rather, why is it painted like it's a negative thing? I think that's where the perception of anti-semitism comes in. It sounds like people complaining about it don't like a particular ethnic group having control over a lot of things.

Well... welcome to the feeling of being a minority then I guess? lol


I think that the right wing conspiracy theorists hate the Jews because it feeds into their theories about a government and the rich minority who want to control the general population.

For people that are on the right side of the political pendulum, their perception is that a bunch of wealthy Jews influence politicians at all levels of government. Then these right wing people see high level executives in Hollywood like these peeps:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...n19-story.html

When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish).

People who are right wing in their political views see Jews as a threat because their wealth and political influence in government, and their high positions in media and entertainment companies, can influence the minds, the decisions that the general population can make in their daily lives.

Decisions such as which political party to vote for. What kinds of media content, and entertainment content in TV and film that they watch. Then you have even more conspiracy theorists argue that these rich Jews put subliminal message in TV shows and films to influence people's lives for their own advantage.

For the right wing people, their argument can be "Where is the true freedom in your life when the rich Jews control the government and major entertainment and media outlets?" Hence, this group of right wingers have big beliefs which are anti-government and anti-Semitic.

Hondaracer 10-11-2023 07:57 AM

So you don’t think those people have influence over govt and media? Lol

I’m not some conspiracy theorist but look at that list lol like OBVIOUSLY all those people have huge pull

Badhobz 10-11-2023 08:06 AM

sooooo last time all the arab nations ganged up on Israel they got their asses handed to them. This is basically the same shit again as i dont think the situation changed.

The way hamas is doing it is giving dem jews free reign to take out all Palestinian settlements whether its justifiable or not. no winners here, only innocent people getting fucked on both sides.

CivicBlues 10-11-2023 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9111504)
Because if they weren’t, the US wouldn’t be moving aircraft carriers there lol

It moreso relates to Canada etc. “supporting” our ally’s, Canada and the US would have no reason to support Israel otherwise. Does Israel have values in common with any North American nation? Lol

Yes, Israel is basically a slice of Europe plomped down in the Middle East. Tel Aviv is like any other city in southern Europe like Greece or Spain. They're also nominally a democracy and are generally Western in outlook as many people in power there have roots from the European Ashkenazi Jewish community . You'd have to have half a brain to think the Western powers would side with some Arab dictatorship (which they do for some, just never against Israel) over them.


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