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I didn't notice anything in Cammisa's video that outlined anything that would appeal to/win over actual truck market segment buyers.
Your Joe Schmoe non-technical person is not going to even know what a 48V system is or even want that specific thing enough to care.
The "It saves money by reducing cable size" is true, sure, but how much raw material cost are we we talking about here?
Rough math, those three steering motors he says are 5hp combined. ~100A per motor at 12V. Need a cable size of 3 gauge ~$1.50 per foot, let's say conservatively you need 30' (20' to the back, 5' to each side on the front), $45 total.
Now, at 48V that's 26A each. Need 10gauge. $0.34 foot. $10 total.
So you save $30 worth of copper, on a $100,000 vehicle. Whooptiedoo, drop in the bucket
That whole segment seems like Telsa handed Cammisa their marketing talking points and a tub of money.
I didn't notice anything in Cammisa's video that outlined anything that would appeal to/win over actual truck market segment buyers.
it's not trying to, that's not the point of the icon series of videos
mkbhd's does a better job, ironically from a tech tuber
i think it's a legit point though; why are we still on 12V when most new products comes come with multiple screens that go up to like 20" Lol
also raw materials is only part of the equation, simplifying and cutting huge number of parts is a big win going forward esp given all the supply shortages we've seen recently
also rivian and lucid are losing tons of money per vehicle sold, and aren't cheaper than the tesla but they dont get targeted by criticism as much because it's not ugly and their ceo arent maniacs
I didn't notice anything in Cammisa's video that outlined anything that would appeal to/win over actual truck market segment buyers.
Your Joe Schmoe non-technical person is not going to even know what a 48V system is or even want that specific thing enough to care.
The "It saves money by reducing cable size" is true, sure, but how much raw material cost are we we talking about here?
Rough math, those three steering motors he says are 5hp combined. ~100A per motor at 12V. Need a cable size of 3 gauge ~$1.50 per foot, let's say conservatively you need 30' (20' to the back, 5' to each side on the front), $45 total.
Now, at 48V that's 26A each. Need 10gauge. $0.34 foot. $10 total.
So you save $30 worth of copper, on a $100,000 vehicle. Whooptiedoo, drop in the bucket
That whole segment seems like Telsa handed Cammisa their marketing talking points and a tub of money.
This was never designed to appeal to the truck owner's market. I see it as more of an engineering exercise/halo product, and caters to the "lifestyle/baller" crowd (like the Rivian, Raptor, or TRX). I can appreciate the engineering that went into it, but that's it.
People who have actual uses for trucks were never going to buy an EV truck with a dinky truck bed in the first place for $100k USD.
I would also not want to find out what it's like to be hit by this monstrosity. I suspect the person in question will just get pulverized like the first scene in The Boys.
It's obvious that it is generating either a hate it or love it kind of response. Most importantly, Musk has people talking ... at least for the time being.
I think it'd be a hoot to rent for a weekend (eventually car rental companies will carry it) if you need a pickup to move or haul stuff. That's really the extent that I would put into this.
A lot of time and money went into something that sounds like it was made for shits and giggles. Meanwhile truck drivers won't switch from a GMC to a Chevy even though it's the same fucking truck lol.
He did kinda address it in his video, he basically said it’s this generations LM002 which only appealed to super wealthy people and had no real functionality in the real world lol
This was never designed to appeal to the truck owner's market. I see it as more of an engineering exercise/halo product, and caters to the "lifestyle/baller" crowd (like the Rivian, Raptor, or TRX). I can appreciate the engineering that went into it, but that's it.
People who have actual uses for trucks were never going to buy an EV truck with a dinky truck bed in the first place for $100k USD.
I would also not want to find out what it's like to be hit by this monstrosity. I suspect the person in question will just get pulverized like the first scene in The Boys.
The idea of moving to 48v architecture is not just saving on cabling. With 12v, you need so much more current to deliver the same amount of power. Hence, given the same amount of energy, 48v can drive much more powerful motors or whatever electrical stuff in a car's system.
The only reason the truck or even the car industry as a whole stuck with 12v architecture is not because 12v is better. In fact, I'd be impressed to find any significant advantage of 12v over 48v, maybe a smaller size, but that's it.
They stayed because no one else had the cojones to actually make the jump. Heck, the car industry didn't even begin with 12v, IIRC they had 6v or something back in the days. Only in the 50s Ford jumped to the 12v standard and that's how 12v became the way we knew. In the 90s, there was a proposal to shift to 42v, but everyone just stuck with the status quo because no one wanted to get out of their comfort zone.
Tesla is not going to use 48v on CT only. Eventually, the entire lineup would shift to 48v.
IMHO, Tesla in car is like Apple in phone, they lead the change. Ford used to lead the change as well. But as they got older, they basically hire people who can preserve what they have instead of going beyond. Same problem in any legacy carmakers.
3.5mm jack is pointless as wireless audio advances for most people. People who do need a wired connection can have an adapter, no point for a dedicated port to exist as it brings no real benefit and it's a constraint on design.
People don't know what's better if they have never been presented with an alternative. Trucker never knew what 48v system in their trucks can do for them. They stuck with 12v system because that's the only thing offered.
I'll be shocked if Elon can mass produce this thing or deliver enough of them in the next year or two to keep investors happy.
What he should have done was capitalize on the initial demand and produced a bunch of 'launch editions' and sold them for $200,000+. It would have been easy money that could have kept investors and customers happy until they could mass produce assuming they can.
Tesla has been using a 16v electrical system in their 2022 + models. Some dont like it as they're having issues installing aftermarket electrical items like amp/sub, ect.
The idea of moving to 48v architecture is not just saving on cabling. With 12v, you need so much more current to deliver the same amount of power. Hence, given the same amount of energy, 48v can drive much more powerful motors or whatever electrical stuff in a car's system.
The only reason the truck or even the car industry as a whole stuck with 12v architecture is not because 12v is better. In fact, I'd be impressed to find any significant advantage of 12v over 48v, maybe a smaller size, but that's it.
They stayed because no one else had the cojones to actually make the jump. Heck, the car industry didn't even begin with 12v, IIRC they had 6v or something back in the days. Only in the 50s Ford jumped to the 12v standard and that's how 12v became the way we knew. In the 90s, there was a proposal to shift to 42v, but everyone just stuck with the status quo because no one wanted to get out of their comfort zone.
Tesla is not going to use 48v on CT only. Eventually, the entire lineup would shift to 48v.
IMHO, Tesla in car is like Apple in phone, they lead the change. Ford used to lead the change as well. But as they got older, they basically hire people who can preserve what they have instead of going beyond. Same problem in any legacy carmakers.
3.5mm jack is pointless as wireless audio advances for most people. People who do need a wired connection can have an adapter, no point for a dedicated port to exist as it brings no real benefit and it's a constraint on design.
People don't know what's better if they have never been presented with an alternative. Trucker never knew what 48v system in their trucks can do for them. They stuck with 12v system because that's the only thing offered.
Mercedes/Audi/BMW already rolled out 48V systems
Hyundai already offers 800V
I guess the unique thing is the drive by wire.
Don't exactly see the superior technology of tesla. But it'll be exciting when they roll these tech into the Model Y/3.
Mercedes/Audi/BMW already rolled out 48V systems
Hyundai already offers 800V
I guess the unique thing is the drive by wire.
Don't exactly see the superior technology of tesla. But it'll be exciting when they roll these tech into the Model Y/3.
You are mixing stuff up.
What Benz/Audi/BMW has been using 48v for are for their electrical starter and any high-draw components. Their entire electrical system architecture for everything else is still run on 12v and same applies to their EV. As far as I'm aware, all legacy carmakers still run their electrical system on 12v.
The 800v on Hyundai is the high voltage system that the drivetrain system is designed. It's still 12v architecture for its electricals.
Thanks for finding this, confirmed it perfectly because you can see the CyberTruck hits like.. a truck.. from the 1950's. The other one takes a lot of the impact and spreads it through the larger crumple zone, suspension, and the cab sits further back.
But if it passed standards, I guess it's all good. Road legal
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