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EVs are going to be the bridge between gas and synthetic fuels. The laserdisc of cars basically.
Old gas cars will be the vinyl of vehicles. Provide that special feeling you can't get from the modern digital world. Not everyone's going to want to have it take up the space, but those that do will have lots.
I agree. EVs as the 'laserdisc of cars' is a really apt comparison. Just like laserdiscs stood between older formats and modern digital technology, EVs are serving as a transitional phase between gas vehicles and the future adoption of synthetic fuels which will happen.
Car market is different though... I think there will come a time period when ICE cars will bottom out in general or they'll get wiped out, but then people will get nostalgic and start trying to find models that they loved when they were younger or it becomes cool or status to have an ICE car then you will see a massive swing up in collectability prices.
The car market will follow the vinyl and old video game market. You will see a big dip in prices then 15 to 20 years after you will see the prices go up do to nostalgia and the lack of cars.
Synthetic fuels will only be a niche and never be main stream. People don't like going to gas stations and doing oil changes and brake changes. Battery and charging tech is also only going to get better.
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The key is to get fleet vehicles/road cargo/trains over to EV. They're the ones causing most of the pollution when it comes to transportation.
Giant batteries are obviously not going to be feasible, but charging roads would be
Air and sea craft are major contributors, but not as viable, which is why I find that "synthetic fuel" thing interesting. I don't know what that is though
Air and sea craft are major contributors, but not as viable, which is why I find that "synthetic fuel" thing interesting. I don't know what that is though
I agree. EVs as the 'laserdisc of cars' is a really apt comparison. Just like laserdiscs stood between older formats and modern digital technology, EVs are serving as a transitional phase between gas vehicles and the future adoption of synthetic fuels which will happen.
By synthetic fuel, you mean those that require far more energy input to produce than just put that energy into batteries and be done with? It's the same thing with liquid hydrogen. The amount of energy required to put those into usable state is crazy. So much so that we ask ourselves, why not use that power directly to begin with?
BEV is pretty much the most efficient method there is. The drive train unit is highly efficient. The power we generate is stored directly in it and generated in the most efficient manner.
People often overlook the amount of logistic and infrastructure that's required to maintain the petro industry. We do not simply pump right out of the ground from a gas station. A huge amount of energy goes into it in order for us to use that type of energy.
The entire thing was not built overnight. Far from it. It took a good decade or 2 AFTER ICE cars were commonplace to have a decent infrastructure and nearly a century to get what we have today.
It's a chicken and egg situation. In order for EV to become better, more infrastructure is needed. In order for more infrastructure to be built, more EV (or demand for electricity in general) is needed.
But the whole idea to have a deadline when ICE cars can no longer be sold is for companies, who wouldn't invest in the infrastructure needed to power the transition, as it doesn't make financial sense, to get on board or get lost in history.
For many who comment that we need EV with more range... I don't think that's the case. What we need is far more charging stations and faster charging equipment.
I don't know how many of you would push 600km non-stop on a regular basis, but even when I'm doing a business trip by myself, I stop every 2-300km or so to pee or grab food/drinks. With kids, probably shorter still. And if the charging speed is fast enough, where 10min stop would give me another 2-300km and they are everywhere... the whole idea to have an EV that can push 800km in one go is more like a "nice-to-have" feature rather than a necessity.
And expanding the charging infrastructure would be far faster than expanding a gas station network. Just about anywhere with a 3ph power can accommodate a decent DC fast charger. And with enough planning, some crazy fast ones are possible even without them... you just need a few huge industrial battery packs to power them.
and the recreational towing scenario is so niche and also seasonal
i think the biggest barrier is still vehicle cost for adoption; if there's hundreds of them used for under $10-15k then people will figure out charging even if it's messy and chaotic just to skip oil changes and fuel stations
Most people had a horse until the early 20th century. Cars started to become a thing, including electric cars, and electric trams.
Now it's mostly just the rich kids and rural farmers who have horses. Just like how you should never date a girl with a horse (I speak from experience) they'll be telling our kids not to date a car guy.
That's my Euro/Canadian perspective anyway. I can imagine if you had parents who grew up in China it might be different?
Also, Africa is being sold hard on cheap ICE cars right now. If they buy into it (and I suspect they will) the oil industry will keep pumping for a long time. I love the idea of these synthetic fuels Porsche is making, but it's probably only necessary for optics of things like F1, and WEC etc.
I think the idea of having to stop period will eventually be gone, with whatever advancement comes along.
Eventually you’ll just get in whatever vehicle you use and drive to your destination, and never require stopping whether it’s battery or a different fuel source, the idea of stopping to fill up or recharge will become an archaic thing of the past in 30-50 years. Harvesting mass amounts of raw materials to create these huge batteries as currently constructed will be looked back on like Combustion engines.
Not to say you won’t stop, but you likely will never need to
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With 12% of all vehicles registed vehicles in BC being RV's, it's a pretty big "Niche" lol.
Also it fucking sucks that the govt. basically legislated out one of the last affordable vacations a lot of families could have. TV/Camper/Truck combo was kind of the last bastion of freedom many lower income families had for a getaway.
Now increase fuel taxes, actively kill ICE vehicles, and get rid of AirBnB and short term rentals? Lol STAY AT HOME AND SHUT UP!!
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and the recreational towing scenario is so niche and also seasonal
i think the biggest barrier is still vehicle cost for adoption; if there's hundreds of them used for under $10-15k then people will figure out charging even if it's messy and chaotic just to skip oil changes and fuel stations
The way EV cars are now there will never be a big supply in that price range since it seems like 7-8 years is when the 30k battery replacements come up. They tend to depreciate until about 20k sit there for a while then hit -$500 overnight lol.
I'm sure that will change in the next 10 years though.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Also it fucking sucks that the govt. basically legislated out one of the last affordable vacations a lot of families could have. TV/Camper/Truck combo was kind of the last bastion of freedom many lower income families had for a getaway.
Have you seen the price of those? They aren't affordable. We went camping using a minivan and a tent older than I was.
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half those dudes are hotter than ,my GF.
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OH thank god. I thought u had sex with my wife. :cry:
Why do people keep listing oil changes and filling up as being SO painful... going somewhere once a year for 30 minutes (or twice if you're weirdly anal about the 6 month thing) to change oil is that hard???
Stopping for 5 minutes at a gas station is so terrible?
Jesus... that's some soft ass mentality if that's the kind of stuff that's pissing in your cornflakes lol
^^ we live in snowflake generation. Technology has given us more and more convenience. Pretty soon people will complain they have to wipe their own ass, and chew food? lol.
The EV>ICE mentality is funny due to the making of EVERYTHING involving ICE cars out to be some insane burden. I'm far from anti EV, I really do want an ID buzz if there's a situation I can afford one in the near future, but having only an EV and wanting it for anything other than a work commute and close to home mini vacations remains a pretty incomplete idea.
The Tesla fanbois are the worst for it as somehow an oil change is a catastrophe but having to take your piece of shit model 3 in every couple months because the masking tape holding it together is coming apart is just part of the new technology experience is always a funny one.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
I had beers with an elementary school friend the other night and he has a BMW i4 he got about a year ago... he likes it alright except the back seat is too small and it's depreciated to shit already so he can't even trade it in for a bigger car anymore, but he said sometimes it's a pain in the ass like he drove down to the Outlets on Black Friday to shop a bit with his wife and he needs to charge when he gets down there, but the chargers are all full it's a gongshow and he finally gets 1... and then they are shopping he has to keep checking the app to go back to the car to move it again because if it's more than 10 minutes on the charger after its fully charged you get additional charges for occupying the charger... so he had to stop shopping and walk all the way back to the car and then try to find parking somewhere else which was another effort unto itself given it was Black Friday.
I mean I'd much rather grab gas somewhere than deal with that level of bullshit on a day-trip somewhere.
^^ we live in snowflake generation. Technology has given us more and more convenience. Pretty soon people will complain they have to wipe their own ass, and chew food? lol.
Buy yourself a TOTO bidet. You'll wonder why you've been wiping your ass for so long.
The EV>ICE mentality is funny due to the making of EVERYTHING involving ICE cars out to be some insane burden. I'm far from anti EV, I really do want an ID buzz if there's a situation I can afford one in the near future, but having only an EV and wanting it for anything other than a work commute and close to home mini vacations remains a pretty incomplete idea.
The Tesla fanbois are the worst for it as somehow an oil change is a catastrophe but having to take your piece of shit model 3 in every couple months because the masking tape holding it together is coming apart is just part of the new technology experience is always a funny one.
Drive through 10 minute oil change? No no no!!!
Your car sitting for a week in a garage getting software bugs ironed out/updated - yes plz
lol
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I had beers with an elementary school friend the other night and he has a BMW i4 he got about a year ago... he likes it alright except the back seat is too small and it's depreciated to shit already so he can't even trade it in for a bigger car anymore, but he said sometimes it's a pain in the ass like he drove down to the Outlets on Black Friday to shop a bit with his wife and he needs to charge when he gets down there, but the chargers are all full it's a gongshow and he finally gets 1... and then they are shopping he has to keep checking the app to go back to the car to move it again because if it's more than 10 minutes on the charger after its fully charged you get additional charges for occupying the charger... so he had to stop shopping and walk all the way back to the car and then try to find parking somewhere else which was another effort unto itself given it was Black Friday.
I mean I'd much rather grab gas somewhere than deal with that level of bullshit on a day-trip somewhere.
This is the type of thing that stresses me out to no end which is why I could never get an EV that couldn’t drive me to Kelowna in one shot. It’s like trying to race between ferry’s to catch the second ferry and being dependant on the flow of traffic, lights, timing, etc. I can’t stand this shit. Things basically out of your control which you have to actively monitor/stress about in order to make it a smooth situation.
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Why do people keep listing oil changes and filling up as being SO painful... going somewhere once a year for 30 minutes (or twice if you're weirdly anal about the 6 month thing) to change oil is that hard???
Stopping for 5 minutes at a gas station is so terrible?
Jesus... that's some soft ass mentality if that's the kind of stuff that's pissing in your cornflakes lol
People bitch when they don’t have tire pressure sensor, maintenance warnings and… gasp.. courtesy lights.
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