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Originally Posted by Badhobz (Post 9118716)

You had me at panel gaps gaping.

Making me hot and bothered now

Great, thanks for the image. :(

Remember this guy? He's probably driving a Tesla these days and gaping the gaps with his dick.

Future Badhobz right there

Tesla owners don’t seem the type to keep a 250,000km vehicle. Maybe the Uber drivers.

Also in terms of the maintenance argument, sure, a Toyota or Honda may need a transmission, or other “major” maintenance item at 300-400,000kms. But what’s a transmission job? 4000-6000?

What’s a “major” maintenance item for a Model X cost ie. battery, motor, etc. $15,000-$35,000? Or more?

There isn’t an item on most modern ICE vehicles that comes close to the replacement costs of a motor or battery in an EV

^ Not yet, anyway. Give it some time and scale, and it'll eventually be at parity with ICE. Gotta start somewhere.

Yeah with an ICE vehicle the repairs are usually far more spread out and lower in cost. If my F150 has a major issue what am I looking at, a few grand? Maybe 5k if something really fucked up. Yeah it sucks but I'll fix it and it'll most likely be good another 200k

I can't imagine the feeling in the pit of your stomach when your out of warranty EV suddenly stops working and you're wondering if it's worth taking out a second mortgage

^ 2023 v8 f150 5.0l, 20mpg combined = 8.5 km per l. 200000 km/ 8.5km = 23529.41 liters x $1.65 = $38823.52 so let's say / 10 years that's still at least $3882.35 a year minimum in gas at current price, / 12 = $323.52 a month in gas :heckno: best case scenario before maintenance.

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Originally Posted by JDMDreams (Post 9118734)

F-150 Lighting XLT is $30,000 more than a F-150 XLT with the 5L V8 in it or you could get the EcoBoost V6 it's just as effective and better on gas and save even more money.

Paid for 8/10 years of gas not spending that money nevermind the Lightning is a complete piece of shit and all the things that will go wrong with it in the 10 years proposed.

Problem solved.

My dad bought a 2017 F150 XLT 5.0 for $40,000 brand new, it’s got 42,000km with not a single issue period for the entire ownership, that trucks gets the same mileage as our G on the highway.

One tank you can drive to quesnel or further without stopping hehe

Yeah EV is so great you just pay for all the gas money up front and then pretend you're rolling in the savings.

Just wait a few more years as EV gets more popular and the government starts charging you by the kilometer to help make up the shortfall from the gas taxes they are missing.

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Originally Posted by MarkyMark (Post 9118737)

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According to the AutoTrader Price Index Report, the average new vehicle price in June 2023 was $66,288,

The entry-level, Base Trim model starts at $53,990 Canadian dollars for the Electric: 211-kW motor & 60.50-kWh & F battery. The price for the mid-range Long Range trim is $63,990 MSRP. The most expensive in the lineup, Performance is priced at $73,290 Canadian dollars.

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Originally Posted by RabidRat (Post 9118711)

We really would need the actual stats to know for sure, which would never be available to us, but some possible reasons why failure rates will differ between brands:

It will differ in how battery designers handle environmental conditions: what is each cell being subjected to, thermally (e.g. do you get hotspots? how hot do those get? how quickly could the temperature ramp up/down?). How about mechanical stressors (e.g. how much shock / stress are you subjecting the cells to)? Electrical (e.g. how good is your cell balancing? how hard are you allowing your system to pull charge out, and dumping it in?). There's a lot of variation in how they can design the cooling, control/sensing electronics, structural design of the pack.

It then comes down to experience informing improvements on the battery pack design: you get a lot out of large-scale long-term real-world field data, vs just the usual accelerated life testing. Tesla has a huge head-start on other manufacturers in this regard.

Other manufacturers have a lot more experience in making the rest of the car, so it would make sense to me that Tesla's not there yet wrt door locks failing, seats squeaking, trim rattles, panel gaps gaping, that kinda thing. Point is, I don't think necessarily, problems in the rest of the vehicle are a good proxy for the reliability of the battery. But they could be. Who knows. Need data. Anecdotal evidence sucks. My dad's 2001 Sienna's transmission failed at just 110,000km, right out of warranty SOL. He took great care of that car. Had it serviced every time at Toyota for all the scheduled maintenance. Quoted $3000 to fix. Does that mean Toyotas are unreliable?

No denying that any car brand can have catastrophic failures at low mileage. There are outliers/anomalies for sure for every brand. But if a failure/design flaw of some component happen quite commonly, then yea by all means, that car brand/specific model is unreliable.

I also just realized model s has been in the market since 2012 but you don't see them a lot on the street let alone high mileage ones, I doubt any owners wanna replace the batteries, they either ditch the car or junk it once the battery fails.

Just going off their website their base model Pro with no options with the extended range is over 77k. If I want to get it to have similar options as my 2014 with features such as painted bumpers it's already 80k+

These EVs are just like iPhones. Best to lease them and get a new one every 2-4 years due to the constant tech upgrades. Newer is better etc etc

Is350 is right though. You really don’t see any of the older model S’s around.

As posted by Whitev70r in the Craigslist thread, here's your Model S

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/rds...698252238.html

^holy shit. 10k for electric motors and 25k for battery. Lawl.

What did those sell for brand new back then? Surely it was cheap so the 35k in repairs were made up with all the gas you saved.

Way over 100k when new. So yeah all you savings went out the window and then some.

I guess you can take comfort in your early adopter moniker

I guess knowing you saved the planet helped ease the blow to your pocketbook

I saved 10k in gas for the low low price of 50k in maintenance and 90k in depreciation!

This is how I picture traffic once everyone owns a dual or tri motor EV:

Spoiler!

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Originally Posted by MarkyMark (Post 9118745)

As posted by Whitev70r in the Craigslist thread, here's your Model S

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/rds...698252238.html

I actually think this one might be a tad better for $5K difference, 2 yr newer, less mileage, has 90D a little more range and Supercharger (for life, I presume), and AWD.

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van...696493173.html

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Originally Posted by Badhobz (Post 9118742)

These EVs are just like iPhones. Best to lease them and get a new one every 2-4 years due to the constant tech upgrades. Newer is better etc etc

Yeah, but then you'll get fucked by the lease rates, and also dumping cars every 4 years or less isn't exactly great for the environment either.

On another note, today's Collecting Cars podcast had a mention of how far behind the European manufacturers are compared to Tesla and the various Chinese brands. Knowing how important car manufacturing is to the various European nations (except the UK now thanks to Brexit [god damn it]) I wonder if they may make a pivot to some other tech in the long term. The EU hyped up diesel big time when the Germans were #1 at it (and they still are especially in military applications) so it makes you wonder if they may try to make a move away from electric at some point to put some distance between them and China. Wild speculation, but worth keeping an eye one long term I think.

If you bought a $100k+ ICE car and 250,000 hard kms later blew up your motor and went to the dealership to buy and install a brand new long block, are you not expecting to pay tens of thousands of dollars? You have to compare apples to apples.

I found an M4 motor on "Black Friday sale" lol, sold by a 3rd party vendor not even the stealership: $25k CAD, not including install labor. What would that labor be at BMW? Like $10k? At the end of the day, you're fucked nearly just as hard.
https://www.mlperformanceusa.com/pro...MK7cCAfSVXIyFU

The guy should've skipped the dealership and just rebuilt his existing pack. Maybe it was just a bad module:
https://evolveelectrics.com/products...um-ion-battery

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Originally Posted by Dbone (Post 9118757)

Yeah, but then you'll get fucked by the lease rates, and also dumping cars every 4 years or less isn't exactly great for the environment either.

Humans aint great for the environment dawg

How many $100k+ ICE cars are only worth $19k after you spent $35k putting a new motor in them?