Tesla Cybertruck

[twitchyzero]

spicy corollas and civics are well in the 55 range these days

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

spicy corollas and civics are well in the 55 range these days

I remember thinking the pricing seemed totally wack: "who would pay several grand more than an STI? Who has that kind of money?!"

[JDMDreams]

I did look it up a while back, a base tlx is like $55k, even an Integra is like $46 to start. Prius are like over $50 and even Corolla hatches are like $40+ so pretty compatible to Tesla in price if not more expensive.

[Koflach]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I did look it up a while back, a base tlx is like $55k, even an Integra is like $46 to start. Prius are like over $50 and even Corolla hatches are like $40+ so pretty compatible to Tesla in price if not more expensive.

Yes, but who here is comparing their hybrid or phev to a tesla? They have batteries in them as well that may need to be replaced at some point, just like a Tesla. It may be cheaper to do (roughly $6500 on a prius from what I can see online) but it can happen.

I may be wrong but it seems like the only ones being compared are gas versions.

This is by no means me supporting ev over ice, i'm just saying that you should at least compare cars properly. A basic Mercedes A class or 3 series seems to be a more appropriate comparison.

[bcrdukes]

hello duh! a toyota corolla is the same as a tesla because they are both carzzzzzzz!!!!! #sarcasm

[MarkyMark]

Isn't that the point, that EV's are more expensive than their budget ICE comparisons? You'll be spending 50k on a base Hyundai Kona EV or 30k on the base gas model. Why do I have to compare maintenance costs from a 50k EV Kona to a 50k ICE BMW what is apples to apples about that?

[Badhobz]

Yeah a corolla vs model 3 isnt fair.... to the corolla. its better built

how dare you compare MINI CROWN to a fucking disgusting model 3

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Koflach

Jaguar, Range Rover, Audi, Mercedes, Infiniti, BMW, Porsche...

All of these brands have vehicles that depreciate over 60% in 5 years without even having to replace the engine.

So you'd be $35k ahead of that Tesla*. That's a lot of gas.

*excluding the Range Rover of course. I believe it was established on here they're the biggest turds on the road by a huge margin.

[Dbone]

I wish Porsches depreciated. If they did, I'd probably get a 991.2 but they don't, so M2 it is.



It obviously just depends on the model. Luxury SUVs and Luxury Sedans get wrecked because the people who want them want new ones. If you can't afford a new one then you're better off getting a new 2nd tier. If you want value then you get a used 2nd tier or below.

Resale on EV's is abysmal. 49% depreciation in 5 years on average.

https://www.iseecars.com/cars-that-h...ir-value-study

Maybe this source is garbage... I haven't seen them before.

[68style]

That chart lost all credibility for me as soon as they put the Camaro on it.

They must be ONLY looking at a ZL1 or whatever the top model was called... ie: cherrypicking... cuz that shit just ain't true otherwise.

[JDMDreams]

Yes that's the thing there's nothing in the same price range that's even phev. I doubt you can get any bmw Benz unless you're getting some shitty 230, cla250. For $50000. Can you even buy an i3 for $50? The hybrid variants are always more expensive. Isn't a prime like $65000?

[JDMDreams]

I just built a RS favorite Camry XLE hybrid to get leather seats, and it's Finance $47,941.60 after tax at 7.2%, a hybrid Prius not even plug in is Finance $45,225.60 and they want 7.99%

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by Koflach

Why do you guys keep comparing Corollas to cars like Tesla's? They are not even close to being an apples to apples comparison. You should be comparing the Model 3 to a BMW, Mercedes, or other vehicles that are in the $55k+ range. The more expensive the car, the higher the repair bill. If you buy a 15 year old Mercedes that originally went for $110k+ for $15k, it will still have repair bills on it like a $110k vehicle when something goes wrong.

Disagree, the Teslas are 100% being cross-shopped with Toyotas as well. Tesla build quality and luxury imo isn't on par to BMW/MB/Audi. Luxury does not a big screen make, and if we are talking luxury appointments the TM3/Y is about equal to a Highlander. If you really want to compare, a TM3 is probably comparable to a Acura TLX directly. Can't argue with the versatility of the frunk though.

Tesla wins hands down imo if you are looking for the best EV drivetrain. There simply isn't one out there that matches them. If you are shopping for a overall package then other brands potentially win out depending on how heavily other criterias are weighed. The Etron is a million times nicer, but the drivetrain isn't as good, and the use of space is terrible. But it's so so so much nicer than a Model Y.

[Badhobz]

dat the new camry!?!?!?

yeh no wonder rates are high on the new

[noclue]

The model 3 is the reason why there's barely any new 3-series or C-class for the budget ballers anymore.

[Koflach]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

Isn't that the point, that EV's are more expensive than their budget ICE comparisons? You'll be spending 50k on a base Hyundai Kona EV or 30k on the base gas model. Why do I have to compare maintenance costs from a 50k EV Kona to a 50k ICE BMW what is apples to apples about that?

I hear what you're saying but the math only works out if you do a lot of driving with the cheap cars. If you are just puttering around town, an expensive EV simply doesn't make sense compared to a 30k Corolla. Corolla's are great cars for what they are: low barrier of entry, reliable, good on gas, well built vehicles. They aren't much to look at and definitely aren't very exciting though.

I drive roughly 25k km per year and had a 2015 hyundai sonata before my first model 3. Because of the amount of driving I did, it made fiscal sense to move over to an EV as at $1.50/l gas back then + my car payment, I could justify the EV.

On the other side, I was speaking to my mom about this over the weekend. She does roughly 12k km per year, has no car payment and drives a ford focus harchback. Even if she had a car payment, the numbers just don't make sense for her.

Where the real payoff comes into play is with the more expensive cars like the BMW 3 series as these are what Tesla is targeting with the Model 3. A BMW 3 series with no options comes in at $58949.30 + tax vs a base model 3 with no options comes in at $55990.00 + tax. Based on these numbers, any amount of driving is a net gain in the EV's favour.

One day, EV manufacturers will come out with cars that directly compete with the base model corollas of the world but we aren't there yet.

[JDMDreams]

You forgot the ev discount and no hassle, ready to buy inventory, sleezy salesman ceramic coating, tint games.

[68style]

Oh don't worry, Tesla has plenty of ways they get sleazy... especially with all the car neophytes that buy their products.

[noclue]

https://youtu.be/ufbxvRo2rnY?feature=shared

Originally Posted by 68style

Oh don't worry, Tesla has plenty of ways they get sleazy... especially with all the car neophytes that buy their products.

Full self driving… biggest sham for $15k

[westopher]

That absolutely never should have been a legally allowed feature to be sold anywhere

[Badhobz]

didnt they used to sell FSD for like 5k? what happened if you bought it for like 5k? they want you to pony up the extra 10k now!?... and its still not fully self driving, i mean it basically drives like a drunken teenager, or my wife on a good day.

[is350]

Originally Posted by Koflach

Why do you guys keep comparing Corollas to cars like Tesla's? They are not even close to being an apples to apples comparison. You should be comparing the Model 3 to a BMW, Mercedes, or other vehicles that are in the $55k+ range. The more expensive the car, the higher the repair bill. If you buy a 15 year old Mercedes that originally went for $110k+ for $15k, it will still have repair bills on it like a $110k vehicle when something goes wrong.

Like someone else pointed out, there is no comparison between a model 3 vs a 3 series, c class, a4 or the Japanese models. Go sit in these cars, look and feel at the interior materials. Not to even mention handling and driving dynamic. The only thing model 3 is on par with the entry level luxury cars is its acceleration

Because there are model 3 owners/potential owners who justified model 3 over corolla or your typical compact or midsize sedans. They reasoned that with savings from gas bills over a certain period/mileage, the model 3 cost about the same as a corolla hybrid or something similar.

The irony is that with these owners including yourself who drives a lot per year (25k per yr), if the battery fails earlier than expected, then there is barely any saving comparing an EV vs ICE in terms of running cost or total cost of ownership

Like someone else pointed out, there is no comparison between a model 3 vs a 3 series, c class, a4 or the Japanese models. Go sit in these cars, look and feel at the interior materials. Not to even mention handling and driving dynamic. The only thing model 3 is on par with the entry level luxury cars is its acceleration

[68style]

Aren't C Class Mercs nowadays pretty trash inside? They look cool in photos with all the lighting effects and shiny shiny but when you actually sit in one it's like oooof no thanks

[is350]

^I agree, it does look pretty bad but still better than model 3 ha

[Manic!]

You guys think people in Vancouver living in multimillion dollars homes driving tealas would be driving Corollas if Tesla did not exist? I know multiple people who have switched from BMW Mercedes etc to Tesla.