New Landcruiser

[Badhobz]

Yeah you can do a 8.9% lease on a GR ratrolla or the v8 ratrolla. 6.6 seems downright cheap.

[68style]

The new Lexus GX, you can push the rate as high as 8.12% on a 84 month... yikes

[Harvey Specter]

I think the new GX is overpriced as well. I understand that the GX and LC are purpose-built off-roaders, but realistically, who in the heck is going to be trashing these SUVs off-road? The GX is well over $100k+ and the LC in Canada will likely be pushing $85k'ish. Way too much money.

[RabidRat]

Similar argument on why people spend well over $100k on a 911 when they'll never trash them on the track.

It's aspirational. These people want to feel like they could, even if they wouldn't.

The real off-road / track trashing will still happen. Just, later when the vehicle rides the depreciation curve down far enough that the owner (whether original, 2nd, or 3rd owner even) could afford the risk of writing it off.

It's the cycle of [car] life.

[teggy604]

It's called "Luxury off-roading." That is what Lexus calls it. Another fancy term for mall crawling. Just like the older GX460, it will see pavement for the first part of its life and then 10 years down the line, enthusiast will buy it for off-roading.

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by Harvey Specter

I think the new GX is overpriced as well. I understand that the GX and LC are purpose-built off-roaders, but realistically, who in the heck is going to be trashing these SUVs off-road? The GX is well over $100k+ and the LC in Canada will likely be pushing $85k'ish. Way too much money.

wah? my ratrolla can go offroad!? OKAY!

If you want over priced and hilarious, why not just get an LX. THIS THING IS BEAST.... i really want one. I think i might replace the wife's RX with this thing.




Slight problem though: in this 4 seat configuration i can barely sit behind myself at 6'2. And even in the most forward position, there isnt enough leg room for me to stretch out like in a Lexus LM



The trunk space is also a friggin joke for a vehicle this size. Might need to see how much that century SUV is gonna be because this doesnt cut it for usable space given how large the vehicle is.

[radeonboy]

^Nice to see Lexus got rid of those side-folding 3rd row seats. What do you need to haul that requires more space than that anyway?

[Badhobz]

Nothing, but you would figure a vehicle in this price category would be more flexible and accommodating to passenger space. The rear seats have a limited amount of motion (forward and back) due to the way they designed it not to travel past the rear wheel well.

That makes it super tight for people over 6' and no way you can lounge like this midget shown here (even with the front seat all the way forward. For reference, the pic i took of the rear seats, the passenger front was already moved to the most frontal position, and that driver positon was adjusted for me at 6'2)

[EvoFire]

If you sit in a S class or 7 series, you'll realize the back seat room isn't as amazing as they make it out to be. I got picked up from Munich airport by a 750iL because of the perks of Euro Delivery, it barely held all our luggage and my backpack had to go in the back seat with me. It was real disappointing.

[twitchyzero]

im guessing most back seats arent for 6'+ on long road trips
certainly not tilted backwards like that

[radeonboy]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Nothing, but you would figure a vehicle in this price category would be more flexible and accommodating to passenger space. The rear seats have a limited amount of motion (forward and back) due to the way they designed it not to travel past the rear wheel well.

I get where your expectations are coming from since the LX is the flagship Lexus SUV, but more space was never a priority for the LX. IIRC the engineers kept the wheelbase the same as last-gen since it was optimal for offroading, and the BoF design doesn't help either.

Outside of something like a Cullinan, who offers a comfortable and luxurious second-row seat in an SUV in North America? The captain's chairs in a GLS / X7 aren't better than the Lexus from my experience.

What you're describing sounds more like something a luxury minivan like a Zeekr 009 can answer, though none are available here.

[Badhobz]

I still think it works for us though. I can imagine it.

Me driving.
Spy balloon lounging in the back lying almost flat. Her sassy girlfriend beside her and the chihuahuas upfront. Or in the back with some big ass dog cushions.

Not sure about the value proposition at 160k (yarg!)

Not like we would ever take it off roading. The departure angles look like shit and likey will smash it to pieces. Also it looks like if you ever get into any sort of a fender bender it’ll cost a gazillion dollars as there is literally no front or rear bumper.




Oh if they sold the Lexus LM here I’d totally buy it.

[underscore]

The dimensions of lots of modern vehicles make no sense to me. They keep adding more space around the engine even though engines aren't getting any bigger, but then it looks like Hobz has about as much space in the drivers seat as I have in my tiny Celica and the rear is about the same as my wifes Rav. So you've got to deal with that extra bulk for no benefit in cabin space? No thanks.

[noclue]

Seems the economy slowing or high interest rates is taking shape considering the fact that this LX is sitting on the lot unsold when 2 years ago there was a massive waitlist or dealer fees. Though out east these still get stolen to export to africa/middle east

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by underscore

The dimensions of lots of modern vehicles make no sense to me. They keep adding more space around the engine even though engines aren't getting any bigger, but then it looks like Hobz has about as much space in the drivers seat as I have in my tiny Celica and the rear is about the same as my wifes Rav. So you've got to deal with that extra bulk for no benefit in cabin space? No thanks.

The engine bays keep getting bigger to accommodate the ancillary stuff especially with 48v hybrids and the like, and also to provide more crumple zone for crash/pedestrian safety.

[Hondaracer]

Yea like it’s comical a vehicle that big from the outside can look so small inside. I’m sure Hobz ain’t a giant and that driver seat looks tight af.

No matter how much “luxury” you’re surrounded by if you’re squeezed into a little cockpit type seat I feel like it’s stifling as the driver. That’s why newer half ton pickups are so nice because it feels like two people could almost sit in the front seats, you’ve got room to stretch out and move around

Also outside the front end, as is typical with all these full sized SUV’s it looks like a mini van from every other angle.

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

The engine bays keep getting bigger to accommodate the ancillary stuff especially with 48v hybrids and the like, and also to provide more crumple zone for crash/pedestrian safety.

I don't know if that fully explains it.

Take the Toyota Sienna for instance.



Or the Prius:



Both are vehicles that Toyota designed with a target customer in mind. The "function first. i don't give a fk what it looks like, just get me maximum utility." Both are full-on hybrids, packaging both an ICE & multiple electric motors. And they get excellent crash test results too.

Now, take a look at the Rivian R1T:



That is one chunky front-end.



But look at the gaping void of nothingness inside of that front-end.

I don't doubt that they make use of that space for crumple zone. But you're telling me it was impossible for them to pull a Sienna / Prius? Are we certain that there was really no way, or was some of this about aesthetic appeal and marketability?

And whose fault is this? Ours! We did this! We're voting with our money. If we would stop buying cars with frivolously large front-ends, we would get a lot of interior space back. And better handling too!

And whose fault is it that there are no more manuals? Ours! We're not buying enough of them. These car companies are businesses: they're out to make money.

Long story short, we should all be out there buying manual minivans.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

The engine bays keep getting bigger to accommodate the ancillary stuff especially with 48v hybrids and the like, and also to provide more crumple zone for crash/pedestrian safety.

For those that actually have that stuff, sure, but things like my FILs Ram truck have just a gas engine, the same 5.7L V8 they've been putting in the last 3 gens of Grand Cherokee, which is way smaller up front.

[twitchyzero]

im on the other end of the spectrum, compact works for me

4 doors and wheelbase just a bit over 100"? can park it into the garage for ants

also like the snug feeling interior of the miata, the cat hump on the passenger side though

[Harvey Specter]

Vancouver Auto Show will have both the LC and GX550 on display.

[Tr1ll]

https://media.toyota.ca/en/releases/...-land-cru.html

Starts at MSRP $69,290 yikes

[underscore]

Now to add exactly $130 of accessories.

[radeonboy]

Originally Posted by underscore

Now to add exactly $130 of accessories.

Lol that was my first thought as well.

The pricing doesn't surprise me given new Lexus GX and current 4Runner pricing. People were already spending mid-60s for a 4Runner TRD Pro so this is not big jump from that.

[CorneringArtist]

Just under my ceiling LMAO. Think I might just go for it considering where the 4R peaks and the high odds that the 4R will take a lifetime for an allocation.

[RabidRat]

In the US it starts at $55,950 USD which is $76,000 CAD!

So it's kind of a great deal! .