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Sonick is a genius. I won't go into detail what's so great about his post. But it's damn good!
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At least they took the opportunity to ask him to wait for the SW update. Vinfast let a bunch of automotive reviewers go bonkers only to realize the SW needed an update and it hit them hard with a lot of bad reviews.
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I literally do not plan on buying another vehicle in my lifetime, assuming it doesn't get written off.
How does a car get on the road legally but is in bad enough a state that a software update is required to make it viable?
Cars are definitely something that should require getting it right the first time.
The problem is that Fisker have Magna to make the cars for them. And Magna being what it is, think from an ICE perspective. But when you look at what an EV actually is, it's all about software. You need software for the car infotainment system, software for BMS, software for drivetrain and software for everything. It's a computer on wheels.
And most ICE car manufacturers do not have the software expertise. Their IPs and know-hows center heavily on mechanical engineering. But there isn't all that much mech. engineering on an EV once you know the battery and electronic drive unit that you are going to put in. It's all software from there on.
Who is actually responsible for building the software for the Fisker? Is it public knowledge that Magna is writing the software or are they simply manufacturing the hard product (the vehicle itself.) I hope I am wrong, but Magna has been known to be a manufacturer, not a software development company.
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I literally do not plan on buying another vehicle in my lifetime, assuming it doesn't get written off.
Saying the legacy automakers don't understand software sounds like something Tesla sales people would try to have you believe.
Most cars are drive by wire, most have electric steering assist. All have ABS, traction control, stability control. Most have parking sensors, and a whole suit of other sensors to manage. Sure, GUI design probably isn't so great, and perhaps battery management is something that requires a good amount of R+D, but the systems that drive and manage a car are not really that different.
Back to Fisker, I've heard they have paused production and are scrambling to setup a dealer network. I personally wouldn't put down any money on one as they may well go bust (again).
I don’t know why someone just doesn’t make like some 15k econo box that has 200km of range
Is it impossible to build a car with 200km range and sell it for less than 20?
The Chinese can probably build something with that target within NA crash standards, but I don't think they can get around the protectionism in NA. Think something like a BYD Seagull.
Saying the legacy automakers don't understand software sounds like something Tesla sales people would try to have you believe.
Most cars are drive by wire, most have electric steering assist. All have ABS, traction control, stability control. Most have parking sensors, and a whole suit of other sensors to manage. Sure, GUI design probably isn't so great, and perhaps battery management is something that requires a good amount of R+D, but the systems that drive and manage a car are not really that different.
Back to Fisker, I've heard they have paused production and are scrambling to setup a dealer network. I personally wouldn't put down any money on one as they may well go bust (again).
If you check on how legacy automakers make their vehicle software, you'd understand the difference between them vs. Tesla.
They are basically putting things together. Much like you have a windows PC, and you can gather different parts, as long as those parts are made to be Windows-compatible, they are able to work with. Nowadays is mostly GENIVI framework I believe.
Legacy carmakers don't care about how efficient or how well something work. That's why they all rely of 3rd parties to do their stuff and as long as they are within the GENIVI framework, they work. But to work =/= work well. There are tens if not over 100 ECUs to control various aspects of the vehicle.
This is where cars like Fisker Ocean have so many problems. Each ECU work on their own to control a particular part of the car. They don't talk to each other. And when there's a conflict between what's going on, it's each to their own.
Tesla, on the other hand, works on a different architecture. They have this domain concept that splits the vehicle E/E into 3 large sectors. Each with their own management and safety things like redundancy and whatnot and instead of tens of ECUs, a single DCU takes on multiple functions.
To make it simple in programming terms, the level between what legacy automakers and Tesla or even Rivian are doing is like someone who learn how to write a code to show a popup of "Hello World" vs. a full OS system. They are on a whole different level of complexity and require different types of expertise.
Tesla didn't get there in one day. But they knew from the moment they were making Model S that this was the way to go and put their effort on.
If you check on how legacy automakers make their vehicle software, you'd understand the difference between them vs. Tesla.
They are basically putting things together. Much like you have a windows PC, and you can gather different parts, as long as those parts are made to be Windows-compatible, they are able to work with. Nowadays is mostly GENIVI framework I believe.
Legacy carmakers don't care about how efficient or how well something work. That's why they all rely of 3rd parties to do their stuff and as long as they are within the GENIVI framework, they work. But to work =/= work well. There are tens if not over 100 ECUs to control various aspects of the vehicle.
This is where cars like Fisker Ocean have so many problems. Each ECU work on their own to control a particular part of the car. They don't talk to each other. And when there's a conflict between what's going on, it's each to their own.
Tesla, on the other hand, works on a different architecture. They have this domain concept that splits the vehicle E/E into 3 large sectors. Each with their own management and safety things like redundancy and whatnot and instead of tens of ECUs, a single DCU takes on multiple functions.
To make it simple in programming terms, the level between what legacy automakers and Tesla or even Rivian are doing is like someone who learn how to write a code to show a popup of "Hello World" vs. a full OS system. They are on a whole different level of complexity and require different types of expertise.
Tesla didn't get there in one day. But they knew from the moment they were making Model S that this was the way to go and put their effort on.
My dads Model X uses an AMD APU that can run steam games. Before that they used Intel Atom chips.
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Apparently this is a whole PR nightmare now. A senior engineer for Fisker called the owner of the Mitsubishi dealership who doesn't sound like they knew the whole situation. He called Marques a "kid" and "mouthpiece", clearly not knowing the impact of the MKBHD brand lol.
I couldn't find another source for it, but here's the conversation posted from the owner of the Mitsubishi dealership.
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