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They're getting discontinued because imo other than the powertrain and chassis tuning, it's a really shitty car that feels scary to daily drive for all the reasons you mentioned.
I feel the chassis tuning strikes the goldilocks balance of compliance (super rare in modern sports cars) and firmness to feel agile the way the E46 did. Brake pedal and steering feel were both progressive and consistent which is a rarity these days (looking at you... BMW, Ford, and Mercedes).
Keep in mind the rental came with shitty all seasons (that the rental company might've replaced with Chinese tires if there was a flat) and definitely didn't have the Brembo brakes nor the 1LE package that comes with 275s in the back.
Specced right, the ZL1 1LE ties a Huracan EVO and beats a 488 GTB around VIR,
The SS 1LE's barely off the pace of a 981 GT4, faster than an LFA and GTR at launch
... even the 2.0T is faster than a 07 911 Turbo, RC F, and E92 M3.
I hadn’t really thought of the ride/handling too much until you brought it up. Just so overshadowed. I also assumed it was a V6, had no idea they made a Turbo4, it totally could have been that. I’m gonna have to search the rental fleet now. It also definitely had an open diff, and likely crappy tires like you said.
I hadn’t really thought of the ride/handling too much until you brought it up. Just so overshadowed. I also assumed it was a V6, had no idea they made a Turbo4, it totally could have been that. I’m gonna have to search the rental fleet now. It also definitely had an open diff, and likely crappy tires like you said.
totally agreed - that chassis is way better in the Cadillac CT4 and CT5 where the weight matters a lot less and the rest of the car isn't a total POS
It has always seemed to me that there are only 3 types of customers interested in V8:
- boomer generation that grew up in N.America
- those looking for executive sedans
- those looking for V8 muscle cars
Very few Asian dudes fall into these few categories.
You might be surprised at the number of FOBs driving Challenger in the Seattle area .... maybe 70% of them are Asian driven and always a V8
The southside ABCs are in Subarus ofc (which imo are less comfortable, reliable, and economical to run than what's essentially a pickup truck motor in a car) and the northside ABCs are in BMW/MB
There is a huge sub-culture of super FOB Asian guys driving around in Mustangs, Challengers, and Camaros here in the GTA. I've seen a growing number of them in Los Angeles too.
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^^ me too. Although what gets me is a mixture of culture. You got the big American V8 muscle car, and then you got some huge anime sticker on the window or door, or some sort of Asian characters. lol.
Now that you guys mentioned it, I have seen a few Mustang GT and Camaro SS with custom vinyl graphics / anime wraps on the cars around the city. There were at least 1 Mustang GT, a Coca Cola Camaro, and a Dodge Challenger with young Asian dude drivers that took their cars to Mission too.
I love that Ford has their Mustang GT3 in this year's WEC series. Looking forward to how they do over the next few years as they contest it in the series.
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I literally do not plan on buying another vehicle in my lifetime, assuming it doesn't get written off.
I wanted to drive an S2k forever too and was planning to buy one way back before prices shot up... but then I spent a day driving a friend's minty 2005 around and I didn't like it at all. Definitely a never meet your heroes moment for me personally.
I'm the complete opposite, I can't find many cars that are equally as fun to drive + reliable.
Everything else that's "worth" the fun per dollar is probably $80 - 100K+
I love that Ford has their Mustang GT3 in this year's WEC series. Looking forward to how they do over the next few years as they contest it in the series.
Maybe they will finally take their learnings and fix the rear suspension's bushings and geometry lol
I'm the complete opposite, I can't find many cars that are equally as fun to drive + reliable.
Everything else that's "worth" the fun per dollar is probably $80 - 100K+
to be fair, within Vancouver it's not the most exciting thing to drive; mostly straight roads from Richmond to Downtown... and also east <> west
compared to highway commute in Seattle where you get to launch cuz of the traffic lights for the highway merge, hella blind turns coming off to Union street, decreasing radius & off camber corners on 90... was actually fun to daily
IMHO, nothing beats a Honda B series, especially the B16A with whale penis or short ram intake. You get a huge induction noise followed by a loud VTEC crossover.
I had a DB2 for over a decade with the NA only B17. I also had an AEM cold air intake for a while. Definitely a lot of fun hitting VTEC.
I think it's wild that people are using the E46 as a benchmark over 20 years later as it was just a commodity car - it really shows how great the chassis was. Can't wait to take my E46 'vert out of my garage in a few weeks' time for summer driving season.
BMW made the N52 all the way up to 2012/2013ish with the E82.
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