I read somewhere that these and the Solterra are decent offroaders, but it can't seat six legally.

Find the best dollar for value 5 seater EV SUV and on the occasions that grandma is coming out to shopping or lunch, drive 2nd car and/or uber her :lol.

Unless that 6 seater option is a regular/often use requirement ... it's really limiting your options.

wait for Ioniq 7 next year looool

but honestly I think the other people have the right idea. Buy a gas 6 seater call it a day, so mamy options that will get you out the door under $60k new

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If you can get over the looks, the new 2024 Santa Fe in Luxury Trim is a 7 seater that will get your out the door after fees and taxes under $60K, like $59,400 in BC. And honestly we sell lots

- ventilated and heated seats up front with memory~
- heated seats 2nd row
- duo sunroof
- 360 camera with blind spot cameras
- wireless android auto and apple carplay
- and stupid amount of cup holders and usb ports looooooool
- 110V regular wall plug that can actually do a 2-slice toaster / motel hairdryer (with the car on ofc lolol)

There are no mark ups here at BC and you can shop the dealerships, hoping its the same in the GTA?

You forgot the UV-C sterilizer! :p

Just curious, how come a PHEV would be an issue specifically in Toronto?

https://www.hyundaicanada.com/en/vehicles/all-vehicles

Other than the Ioniq5 the Hyundai lineup sure has a lot of acquired tastes/butterfaces. I appreciate the boldness in design but there's a lot of Sarah Jessica Parker going on with some of the cars. They've really become the Korean BMW.

In general, I feel like PHEV is simultaneously the best and worst of both worlds LOL~

In TO, I'd imagine that because of the greater distance that people generally need to drive everyday, they'll be depleting a fully charged battery pretty much on a daily basis. That'd wear your battery down faster; you still need to get gas on a regular basis, and you have the added complexity of both systems. So you're getting less from the "best of both worlds" portion of the ownership experience, and more of the "worst of both worlds" portion instead.

My understanding is Toronto is much more spread out and you drive significantly longer distances. A 50-70km electric range isn't going to cut it if you are driving 40km one way regularly. Granted, you are potentially still saving money at the pump, but not nearly as much as you'd like and the premium you'd pay over a regular gas car.

For a X5 iirc it's about a 10-12k premium depending on options.

Nevermind the fact that if you are regular draining the battery down to nothing, you'll kill the battery much quicker.

Naw, that's in Ultimate Calligraphy only, which is a bad deal, its on the wrong side of $55,000 meaning lux tax

On the luxury its just an extra glove box, which is great... just more storage space~

No love for the VW Buzz?

On a whim I put a deposit down on one today. They said it was fully refundable and there were only 2 people ahead of me *shrug*.

I'm a wait and see for it - I would have strongly preferred the 2 row version and I'm skeptical the pricing for the 3 row will be something I want to spend on a VW - if a loaded ID4 is $63k then I'm thinking a loaded Buzz will be pushing $80k. At that price I'll just get an Audi Q6 (I don't need the 3rd row) even if I LOVE the looks and practicality of the Buzz. I also think it's on the larger size for what my wife is capable of piloting though it's only an inch longer than the Crown Signia that I'm really interested in.

Crown Signia? :suspicious:

Are you my long lost brother?

If Toyota (or someone) produces lowering springs with a 1.5" drop or coilovers they'll have themselves a Crown Signia sale.

I'm hoping they will bring the Crown Sport to North America.

I don't think anyone will make lowering springs for the Crown of any variant. I hope I am wrong.

If you've ever test driven the Crown, you'll really appreciate the quality of the suspension. That thing rides like it's on a cloud. Coilovers would totally ruin the whole idea of the Crown. :lol

I'm looking forward to seeing the Crown Signia in show rooms. I'm often anti-SUV, but Toyota really has me curious about this particular car. FML :rukidding:

I’m quite impressed with the crown in general. My co worker bought one and I drove it to ramen with him. It’s basically a front wheel drive LC. The platform is based off the LCs platform so the underpinnings are quite sporty. Of course it’s heavy as fuck and the steering is a bit numb, but it’s a luxury cruiser and it does that exceptionally well.

I was interested when they were first announced and got to drive the one in Vancouver but that was the short wheel base version which I prefer. I'm thinking it'll be about $75k-80k here too. I put a deposit on a Rivian R2 for the wife when it was announced instead.

I also think the Buzz will reach 80K here and it's very plastic-y at that price. I lost interest after sitting inside the LWB version last year.

RS-R already makes springs and coilovers for the Crown "Crossover" and Sport. It's likely the Signia/Estate will get them, too. These newer Crowns actually aren't that uncommon over in Japan.

https://www.rs-r.co.jp/script/e_itemsearch/index.html

https://www.rs-r.co.jp/db/suspension...A/tzsh35_d.jpg
https://www.rs-r.co.jp/db/shock/TOYOTA/azsh36w_b_r.jpg

Oh god that red one looks so hot

^ looks like a baby smaller version of the Panamera Turismo or Taycan Turismo wagon!

And on a reliable Toyota Platform .. take my $$$ now !!!

i will very much yesh~~~

Looks like a Supra on roids

Yeah that's gonna be a no for me for $80k :(.

I was hoping for closer to $65k as a value alternative to the EV9 lol!
What're some comparable interiors to the Buzz's in terms of plasticky-ness?

https://i.ibb.co/sFMQ0vf/IMG-7068.jpg

Most of the interior here is hard except the seats, headliner, and steering wheel. It reminded me of the Honda Element which I think many people may not like at $70-80k. This theme extends to the rest of the interior - it was a giant sea of hard plastic.

The EV9 has a much softer interior for comparison.

Argh. I was gonna buy one too. Still want to. But if it’s 70-80k and the interior is that plasticky…… might have to pass.