Interesting cars for sale

[AstulzerRZD]

GTS / Trofeo trim offered V8 in the new body style

[Badhobz]

Still not a Maserati. It’s a piece of shit bastard of a child. You’re dead to me Maserati !!! Ya hear me ?!!!! Yerrrrr deeeadddd !!!!

[teggy604]

holy cow. The depreciation on these cars are stupid. $41K asking. How much did the owner sell it for ?

[Badhobz]

Probably 35k…. For a car that was 135k Msrp. Yes that’s why the brand is dead…. At least when Ferrari owned it, they held their values better for those few years.

[noclue]

https://www.mercedes-benz-richmond.c...YearPlan=12000

$40K discount.. ouch! probably can negotiate another $10K off. Better value proposition than a beetle S, but will depreciate massively.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by noclue

https://www.mercedes-benz-richmond.c...YearPlan=12000

$40K discount.. ouch! probably can negotiate another $10K off. Better value proposition than a beetle S, but will depreciate massively.

Cause the current iteration of the GT is a SL coupe. The original was a bespoke product. It's nowhere near as upmarket and special and the limits are likely to be a lot lower.

Granted, running costs are probably less as the original GT was uber expensive to keep running, especially if you track.

[Badhobz]

mercedes have gone completely off a cliff. You look at their products in the 80's and 90's that was their peak. 2000's they were already trending down with the CLK AMG black series being probably the last decent product before free falling into modern day oblivion.

[noclue]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

mercedes have gone completely off a cliff. You look at their products in the 80's and 90's that was their peak. 2000's they were already trending down with the CLK AMG black series being probably the last decent product before free falling into modern day oblivion.

100%
New S-class sucks
New SL they turned it into a racing car instead of a GT
EQS/EQE EV are awful
Current design of giant tablets and night club ambient lights is trash
Destroyed the C63 with a F1 inspired 4cylinder

Only thing saving them is the brand prestige, the g wagon and the E-class.

That said I do like the rumble of their V8, if only they all didnt have some fatal engineering flaw but their new flat plane V8 looks interesting

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

mercedes have gone completely off a cliff. You look at their products in the 80's and 90's that was their peak. 2000's they were already trending down with the CLK AMG black series being probably the last decent product before free falling into modern day oblivion.

I disagree.

The CLS was a masterpiece in style, both generations. granted there's almost none around anymore.
The McLaren SLR was revered, despite me thinking it looks ugly.
The SLS gullwing was a beautiful car, though many thought it lacked performance.
The AMG GT had the performance chops and most of the looks.
The generations of C63 have all been great until they nerfed it with a 4 cylinder that no one wanted.
The E63 wagon was the sled that every enthusiast in North America wanted until Audi rolled out the new RS6.
The A class hatch is pretty awesome, if you can stomach the $75k pricetag for a A35

The only problem is, those above are all high dollar cars. Their pleb stuff is not that great......

When I talk to people about the 3 German marques, each has their own specialty.
BMW is great with their straight 6, and still are.
Audi's EA888 is amazing despite it being a 20 year old now.
Mercedes V8s, nuff said.

[AstulzerRZD]

I think MB is actually really well positioned to survive compared to VW.

1) AMG V8 is getting a flat plane crank for E63 and CLE63.

2) EQS Drive Pilot is a learning platform for L3, MB is most advanced OEM that's not Tesla/Chinese
3) CLA EV's excellent charging curve, range, & efficiency means MB EV is ready to go mainstream
4) S class PHEV fast charges

5) Giant tablets makes a ton of sense when drivers are going to eyes off, hands off with drive pilot and browsing the web.

[Badhobz]

oh VW is circling the drain for sure... i just hope they take that bastard porsche down with it.

[noclue]

On the subject of MB, I did a quick trip to stuttgart last year and their museum is excellent even if you dont like cars. The Porsche museum across town wasn’t as interesting unless you really, really like special edition beetles.

[Badhobz]

id burn that porsche museum down!

[AstulzerRZD]

Despite VW group being financially and strategically kinda fucked long term, their 2024 sales actually grew while most of the industry contracted by 4%.

[radeonboy]

+1 for the MB museum - you're literally walking down a physical version of their history. Their cars are organized by era with notable stories from each period, complete with era-appropriate decorations / materials / fonts / colors. The Porsche museum OTOH is just a bunch of cars laid out like a gallery arrangement - it felt more like a featured Porsche exhibit in Petersen.

[noclue]

There’s a cool black limo benz looking sinister made for the german government during 1933-1943… and the pope mobile, lots of unique history

They also have a factory dealer attached to it with every current model benz you can sit inside.

[JDMDreams]

I wonder what has been selling? I don't even see any new golfs around. I went to the nissan museum in Japan it was pretty small but still cool didn't get to go to nismo doe cuz they were closed

[AstulzerRZD]

VW does well with utility cars and low-mid end.

In US, Atlas/Jetta/Taos/Tiguan are easy 80-110k units each.
In Europe, Cupra is their "Mazda" and they're eating up market share, like 600k units.
Skoda is probably up too cuz they're cheap.

Mid-high end? Audi is completely cooked.
Porsche will survive.

[EvoFire]

Cause there's no new Golf in NA, we only get the GTI and R here now.

It's pretty much all SUVs now. I finally saw a new Camry for the first time a few weeks ago and haven't seen another one since. I've seen 2 new Accords. There's lots of Civics around and Corollas, also because the new Civics are in that sweet spot in terms of space and price like where Accords were a few generations ago.

Teslas were it up until late last year when Musk went all in with Trump publicly.

And if we are going to be really real, nothing is selling right now. The tariffs means most ppl were were in a market for a new car suddenly decided that it might be best to just hold on for the time being. The waitlist for hybrid Toyotas have shrunk significantly in the last 6 months, you can get a Sienna for MSRP now. BMW is doing low rate leases to bring in customers. My neighbour just returned their X5 lease for another X5 lease, 1.5% rate. He's like.... I can't get anything else for the same rate and residual.

[AstulzerRZD]

I finally saw a new Camry for the first time a few weeks ago and haven't seen another one since. I've seen 2 new Accords.

They sold to every uber driver and rental fleet in the states.
Accord is done, cooked; would be very surprised if it was another generation.

And if we are going to be really real, nothing is selling right now.

Yeah, 2024 car sales were up 10% YoY and even Jan 2025 was up 3% YoY.
But Feb 2025? Down 8%.

Ford is up and best selling, F-150 trim adjustments lowering price 5k or so helped a ton.
New Maverick changes are also huge! Hybrid + AWD + 6L/100km.

Hyundai up 6% thanks to Santa Fe and Elantra sales.
Mazda up 12% thanks to CX50 Hybrid.

Subaru down 2% despite increase in Crosstrek and Forester sales.
Toyota down 24%, especially RAV4 (-29%).
Honda down 7%, with CR-V down 9%.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

They sold to every uber driver and rental fleet in the states.
Accord is done, cooked; would be very surprised if it was another generation.

The Accord still sold 160k units in the USA last year and in Jan it was still their 4th best selling vehicle (CR-V, Civic, HR-V ahead of it). That's not a product that they're gonna kill off anytime soon (likely when EV prices drop enough that it's a 1:1 replacement)

The TLX, on the other hand, sold less than 400 units in Jan and is down over 50% YOY. That car was a big miss in the first place and I can see that being replaced by a EV sedan as sales couldn't be any worse.

[AstulzerRZD]

Yeah it will probably live on "forgotten" the same way the Passat was for a decade.

[JDMDreams]

Too bad they don't make phaetons any more

[tegra7]

Dude almost money shifted in the video.
https://www.facebook.com/share/169RF...ibextid=wwXIfr

[RevYouUp]

Originally Posted by tegra7

Dude almost money shifted in the video.
https://www.facebook.com/share/169RF...ibextid=wwXIfr

LOL, I wonder what he was thinking. “Ya let’s post this video” after watching it