I agree that VW is seriously fxxked. They can't lower their labour costs nearly enough to be competitive, or maybe even just stay in business. If you look at it that way, they can only go bankrupt.

On the other hand, the state of Lower Saxony owns over 10% of the company, and has a 20% voting right. Given how big an employer VW is in Germany, I don't see how the Lower Saxony gov as well as the Germany gov will allow VW to fail. VW is essentially Germany's version of GM. Just as the US gov has bailed GM out in 2009, I'd also expect the state and federal govs in Germany to bail VW out one way or another as well.

yeah VW will get propped up, the unions will get screwed, German politics will go further right wing, and maybe in 2027 they will have competitive cars with Rivian's software.

Stellantis is seriously screwed, they invested 0 in software, their EVs don't even have a trip planner that can plan charging, and they have too many dead brands.
They will disappear by 2030.

When we say VW are we saying VAG or just VW? I can't imagine Porsche will be in trouble or Lamborghini or Bentley.

Like how will they survive? Even if the gov throws money at them. No one buys vws besides China hobs and troll face. They are asking like $95000 for a EV bus. :fulloffuck:

Like what can they do? I don't see any attractive VW product that I would spend money on. Not that cheap, not as good as BMW Benz, shit reliability compared to da Japanese

China hobz loves his hitlerbox. Ich bein ein VW

Did you know VW was the first western car manufacturer in mainland China ?! Yup. My aunt used to work in the VW plant in Shanghai when I was just a wee baby. I used to play with metal or tin or mercury laced match box cars.

Love VW. Loathe Porsche. Go figure.

When I think of China VW, I think of this, I doubt it's a good car to own.

https://www.thatsmags.com/image/view...2b90a725_o.jpg

It’s true but hell they do last. You see those old VW clunkers everywhere around China

I am only referring to VW, not VWAG. Most news reports only talk about VW's woes, and I don't think they are referring to VWAG either when they talk about VW's current financial troubles.

For the time being, I don't think Porsche is in any immediate danger. As an upmarket brand, they have bigger profit margins to begin with. Furthermore, they have been jacking up their prices at a pace much faster than inflation. Case in point -- back in 2018, the base Cayman was a Cdn $62.7k car. In 2024 dollars, that's $75.7k. But the current 2025 model is asking for $85.3k. In a similar vein, a 2014 Macan S started at Cdn $54.3k, which is $70.3k in 2024 dollars. Today, a 2025 Macan S starts at $86.6k.

(But gosh... I still want a Macan S lol~)

Just heard Ford earnings and they lose $37000 on EACH EV. Yea America #1:joy:

Maybe if VW didn't make money losing decisions... lol

Lost money on every Phaeton and the $200MM factory they built to produce the car... The Veyron cost like $6MM per car to build and they sold them at a loss at $1.25MM... lost almost $5MM per car. I mean, I'm thankful a car like that was built but from a financial standpoint, that's a lot of money to lose.