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Old 01-18-2025, 12:49 PM   #51
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One thing I think isn't being addressed here and I'm unsure if I don't understand the weight of it or the situation itself didn't have enough details or whatever... but do you really just completely throw the towel in and say fuck you I'm going somewhere else because of one promotion being passed over?

Maybe I'm in an older generation thinking wise but like... if that happened to me, okay, I'd be miffed but as long as the process was run fairly and I can see the rationale, I just try harder next time or expand my knowledge base or maybe it's a "show me" moment... can't expect to always get handed upgrades?

Jobs at places the size of MS are pretty coveted in the industry and they pay you a lot of $$$ with what seems like quite a bit of free time to go on vacays.
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Old 01-18-2025, 01:41 PM   #52
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Everyone's life trajectory is different and my path might not fit yours.

But if I were to be back to late 20s/Early 30th, I'd take a bit of extra risk and try to make it big.

Looking back, I think if I took a bit more risk, even though success was not guaranteed, I had the opportunity to be in the next income bracket... heck, probably a few next brackets.

I kinda did that back in the day. I quit my well-paid but tiring sales job and did my own startup. After we got bought out, I made some money, but when people came to me asking for starting more businesses, I just decided to use that money and live a simple life.

I don't think I regret that decision. It was ok. But I think if I were back to that age again, I'd probably did a few more startups as I had a lot more experience running at the time. I knew well how to raise funds. Just coming off an ok successful startup meaning I had all the credits I needed. And I was in that zone where I was hungry and eager when it came to business.

So, if you are in the late 20s/early 30s with little financial burden on yourself, I'd take the path that maximize the payout while taking the most risk. Looking at your options, they all seem roughly the same industry or whatever you specialize in. Thus, even if the risky option goes sour, it wouldn't really leave a mark on your resume or anything like that.

Alternatively, if job or career development is in your mind, think if going into pro C-suite is something you have in mind... if so, maybe getting into an EMBA program or sort isn't a bad option. Many large (especially publicly traded companies) kinda have this prerequisite of MBA even though it's unspoken. But unless you are like founder from a highly technical startup, in order to get into professional management role, you need to have the credentials. Thus, getting a job in a place where it allows you time to do the MBA in, ideally a highly reputable institution, a nearby place isn't a bad option either.
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One thing I think isn't being addressed here and I'm unsure if I don't understand the weight of it or the situation itself didn't have enough details or whatever... but do you really just completely throw the towel in and say fuck you I'm going somewhere else because of one promotion being passed over?

Maybe I'm in an older generation thinking wise but like... if that happened to me, okay, I'd be miffed but as long as the process was run fairly and I can see the rationale, I just try harder next time or expand my knowledge base or maybe it's a "show me" moment... can't expect to always get handed upgrades.
I think you're touching on something I meant to ask as well: what was the reason Astulzer's promotion was denied? I think that matters, although maybe not to answer his specific questions.

Budget or political reasons? Yeah definitely don't stay. There's just nothing you can do about that and it's out of your hands. Insufficient alignment of what you bring to the table, with what is needed in this org? Maybe it's time to move, maybe not: is what they're looking for something you can bring yourself to develop from where you are (this was my case and it hugely worked out: my manager and I continue to joke that I "sold my soul")? Plain "you're not ready yet"? If nothing was concrete about next-steps from them to get there, then maybe ya time to go as well.
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Old 01-18-2025, 05:29 PM   #54
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He hasn’t replied ! That’s a good sign.

Maybe he went to the nearest beetle hut and bought a stupid over priced beetle. Hopefully porked the sales lady in the process. At least you get an interesting story for such a dull looking car. Ha !
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