[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

You made a post about how under Islam women were supposed to be respected, and had these "rights" given to them under Islam.

What you state is only your interpretation of the Qur'an, and is obviously, painfully obvious, to other people that if you look around the world at Islamic countries these laws are not interpreted as you say.

the problem here is your talking about the arab islamic world... but the majority of muslims lies in Indonesia and CHINA (with 10% of its population)
your also forgetting places like Turkey, Pakistan and even Iran.. sure radical elements exist in these 3 countries as they do everywhere but not in the whole or to the extreme as you paint your description.

The point is, that if you claim your above list to be true and accurate, you also have to claim the above to be accurate as well. This means that eventually through reproduction, the entire world would become Islamic without anyone being allowed to ever leave Islam.

Islam is as totalitarian as it gets. All aspects of living are controlled and free thought(leaving Islam)is discouraged by punishment of death.

as stated before it doesn't say death is a punishment, ur quote was a partial quote identifying a group of peoples from ancient times identified as the hypocrites, and it did not dictate their death the use of an arabic word which can be translated as "to fight" or "to slaughter" was used but in the same section it said to battle the hypocrites was only sanctioned if they sought to fight/attack islam; it does not allow for murder of any who sought to leave the faith

granted its being misused by radicals in the arab world, but also not in its entirety

Islam, by the very nature of the religion, stifles technology. After the golden age of Islamic science(Algebra, Alchemy, and others)math was deemed to be the work of the devil. Look at the technology coming out of the arabic middle east for an example of how much religion kills progress.

all religions/empires faced an era of attacking knowledge.. but you can't mark the arab world today because of what was done all those centuries ago.. you have to look at history and see how that area of the world, once powerful, was sacked and stifled by occupying forces..etc etc there are sooo many factors as to why the area isn't as advanced as the rest of the globe to consider other than boldly blaming 1 factor alone (having said that the quaran is filled with science). if you really want to look into technology look at Iran who even though (in terms of history) recently underwent a total reconstruction is quite advanced in technology, etc etc... you seem to be painting Islam as being the only culprit of having once stifled technology but islam was not the cause of it; it was as with Christianity those in power wanting to assert their hold on the populace and finding an easily pliable excuse which would garner them support

It's not changing the subject when I point out that you can't pick and choose laws and say your system is superior. The Islamic system is a utopia on paper, but in practice, leads to a totalitarian state(Saudi Arabia)with no free throught and very little human progress.

you can't denigrate the philosphy because of a localized(certain leaderships of the middle-east) mis-use of it. (it also depends on which side of the coin your on the actions of those you criticize isn't necessarily wrong, its only so from certain perspectives)





anyway these arguments you have over the subject always seem to go back and forth, recycling arguments ignoring of anything said and in the end you remain in your belief and the otherside remains in theirs so there's no real need to continue this further.. you'll continue being a hate-filled egotistic prejudicial racist? and the other side will continue being the god fearing book-burning witch hunting hippy-types?