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StylinRed · 08-16-2010, 04:00 AM

wow been a way fer awhile and here I thought the forums would be dead without me

we actually already did a thread about this months ago.

This is going to be a long reply

I've been astonished at the reaction of Americans about this issue its actually very scary for me and I'm not exaggerating; especially reading and seeing a lot of reactions like "kill Muslims" "burn down the mosques" "Obama 1 term president alive or dead"

This must have been the attitude in Germany prior to WW2 against Jews and Judaism, they were blamed for all sorts of things as well and the hatred/animosity was allowed to grow and fester

The only difference is the American Administration isn't promoting such a stance. Prior to Obamas message they weren't doing much to ridicule it though.

I realize many of the protesters have no issue with Muslims in general but just this specific location; however the hateful side seems to have a far louder voice here and that's concerning.

A couple things people seem to overlook or neglect to realize though is this is a piece of property in Lower Manhattan one of the most sought after pieces of real estate in the world; it would be next to impossible to find a suitable piece of property in Lower Manhattan that would appease these protesters (where would the protesters draw the line anyhow?)

And to call this a Mosque isn't exactly fair either... its a Community/Cultural Centre rooms are rented out and allotted for all sorts of activities; there just so happens to be a Prayer Room within this building.. That's not the same as a Mosque

That would be like saying a field at your local community centre is a MLB Stadium because you can play baseball on it.. Or the ice rink in Trout Lake is an NHL stadium...its just not the same.

And so what if it was a Mosque? The religion wasn't what attacked America a group of terrorist wackos living in caves did.

Even Bush stressed that the attacks are from Terrorists and the War is on Terror not Islam.

Also these protesters don't seem to realize that there are US Veterans that are Muslims
There are US Soldiers that are Muslims fighting in their wars
There were Muslims that died in the WTC buildings
There are Muslim Countries in their Alliance fighting against Terrorists
There are Muslim rescue workers

What kind of message are they sending to who they would call Heroes? Also there's actually 9/11 victim families that are IN Support of this (its sort of been made out that all families are opposed)

Another note people keep harping on Saudi Arabia and there being no Churches there; now I agree there should be Religious Freedom allowed in Saudi Arabia but Saudi Arabia isn't representative of Islam... Sure Mecca is found in Saudi Arabia and its Important to Islam but the state of Saudi Arabia is not; Hell There's FAR more Muslims in Asia than the Middle East (just Mainlander Muslims far outnumber Arab Muslims) and they sure as hell don't look to the Saudis for a "how to be muslim" guide..

There are Churches in every other Muslim country that comes to mind.. in the United Arab Emirates, Palestine, Kuwait, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran (hell there's Synagogues in Iran!! IRAN!) Indonesia, Malaysia etc

you don't see Japan rejecting american culture; or India bulldozing Churches or Africa for that matter..

hell even Bosnians and Serbs are trying to get along (muslims and christians)

As for the remark about "consideration/sensitivity" and saying American Muslims haven't shown any consideration to their fellow Americans; there was actually a report on Fox News.. FOX NEWS that spoke about how Eid at the end of Ramadan this year (think something along the lines of Christmas/New Years) is going to fall on or around September 11th this year! and Muslim associations/mosques etc are considering not hosting any celebrations or dumbing down their events this year because they don't want to look like they're being insensitive inconsiderate or even looking like they're celebrating 9/11. Now canceling Christmas to be considerate is a rather intense display of consideration isn't it? (even though i think its unnecessary as Islam didn't attack America)

I dont know i kind of lost where i was going with this but i'll just re-iterate that I'm astounded by the reaction of these protesters and the scale and strength of their voice..

08-16-2010, 04:00 AM	#21
StylinRed I only answer to my username, my real name is Irrelevant! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CELICAland Posts: 25,695 Thanked 10,397 Times in 3,920 Posts Failed 1,390 Times in 625 Posts	wow been a way fer awhile and here I thought the forums would be dead without me we actually already did a thread about this months ago. This is going to be a long reply I've been astonished at the reaction of Americans about this issue its actually very scary for me and I'm not exaggerating; especially reading and seeing a lot of reactions like "kill Muslims" "burn down the mosques" "Obama 1 term president alive or dead" This must have been the attitude in Germany prior to WW2 against Jews and Judaism, they were blamed for all sorts of things as well and the hatred/animosity was allowed to grow and fester The only difference is the American Administration isn't promoting such a stance. Prior to Obamas message they weren't doing much to ridicule it though. I realize many of the protesters have no issue with Muslims in general but just this specific location; however the hateful side seems to have a far louder voice here and that's concerning. A couple things people seem to overlook or neglect to realize though is this is a piece of property in Lower Manhattan one of the most sought after pieces of real estate in the world; it would be next to impossible to find a suitable piece of property in Lower Manhattan that would appease these protesters (where would the protesters draw the line anyhow?) And to call this a Mosque isn't exactly fair either... its a Community/Cultural Centre rooms are rented out and allotted for all sorts of activities; there just so happens to be a Prayer Room within this building.. That's not the same as a Mosque That would be like saying a field at your local community centre is a MLB Stadium because you can play baseball on it.. Or the ice rink in Trout Lake is an NHL stadium...its just not the same. And so what if it was a Mosque? The religion wasn't what attacked America a group of terrorist wackos living in caves did. Even Bush stressed that the attacks are from Terrorists and the War is on Terror not Islam. Also these protesters don't seem to realize that there are US Veterans that are Muslims There are US Soldiers that are Muslims fighting in their wars There were Muslims that died in the WTC buildings There are Muslim Countries in their Alliance fighting against Terrorists There are Muslim rescue workers What kind of message are they sending to who they would call Heroes? Also there's actually 9/11 victim families that are IN Support of this (its sort of been made out that all families are opposed) Another note people keep harping on Saudi Arabia and there being no Churches there; now I agree there should be Religious Freedom allowed in Saudi Arabia but Saudi Arabia isn't representative of Islam... Sure Mecca is found in Saudi Arabia and its Important to Islam but the state of Saudi Arabia is not; Hell There's FAR more Muslims in Asia than the Middle East (just Mainlander Muslims far outnumber Arab Muslims) and they sure as hell don't look to the Saudis for a "how to be muslim" guide.. There are Churches in every other Muslim country that comes to mind.. in the United Arab Emirates, Palestine, Kuwait, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran (hell there's Synagogues in Iran!! IRAN!) Indonesia, Malaysia etc you don't see Japan rejecting american culture; or India bulldozing Churches or Africa for that matter.. hell even Bosnians and Serbs are trying to get along (muslims and christians) As for the remark about "consideration/sensitivity" and saying American Muslims haven't shown any consideration to their fellow Americans; there was actually a report on Fox News.. FOX NEWS that spoke about how Eid at the end of Ramadan this year (think something along the lines of Christmas/New Years) is going to fall on or around September 11th this year! and Muslim associations/mosques etc are considering not hosting any celebrations or dumbing down their events this year because they don't want to look like they're being insensitive inconsiderate or even looking like they're celebrating 9/11. Now canceling Christmas to be considerate is a rather intense display of consideration isn't it? (even though i think its unnecessary as Islam didn't attack America) I dont know i kind of lost where i was going with this but i'll just re-iterate that I'm astounded by the reaction of these protesters and the scale and strength of their voice.. Last edited by StylinRed; 08-16-2010 at 04:16 AM.