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Originally Posted by LC21

I'd say Lebron at 1st and Bosh maybe top 7?

And Melo to Chi-town, i don't think its going to work around the team. It would be a great 3some party, but they need another man for the low post and a person that would D in Chi-town, i think noah fills in this spot pretty well. No go imo. Denver should add more depth in the front court.

I wouldn't put LeBron at 1st simply because he doesn't have the clutch factor that Kobe does.

Originally Posted by Wongtouski

U have a point there, the offseason has made me forget how awful Amare is on D, which is really bad of me cuz I watch a lot of PHX games hahaa. However, the guy is the best finisher (big man - at the rim) in the game, I saw some guy put Bosh up there (in the top 10), and no, Bosh is a glorified third banana who is weird and makes youtube videos that aren't funny.

As for Dwight, ARE YOU SERIOUS? Yes the guy has limited post game, and he free throws are laughable. What about everything else that he does? Let's use Bosh again to compare, dude can't rebound against energy rebounders like Varejao, can't block, doesn't rebound well in general, has at best pick and roll D.......hmm and he's top 10? And Bosh has maybe at best 3 moves offensively....

example: Jab, jab, jab, fake, jab, jab, jab, jumpshot

or

Jab, jab, jab, fake, jab, jab, jab, jumpshot, drive, pull a paul pierce and tries to draw a foul

Thats about it.

Amare
I don't think it's that difficult to be a great finisher when you are running with the best playmaker in the league(Steve Nash).

Dwight
Dwight is GREAT in what he has going for him (Defense), but his offense is lacking quite a bit. There are games when he is only able to put up 4 shots, and that is simply unacceptable from a guy who you would consider to be in the top 10...Shaq, at 100 years old, still shuts him down to this day...You compare Dwight with Bosh, but when the 2 go head-to-head, Bosh does just as much damage as Dwight does. Bosh outdoes Dwight with his quickness and range on one end of the court, whereas Dwight simply overpowers Bosh on the other end....only difference is, I can't really blame Bosh for not being able to contain Dwight because Bosh could simply play the 4-spot instead of the 5 which is where he truly belongs.
I don't know where you come off saying that Bosh has only 3post-moves...About the "jab" thing...It's not his "move" but rather just his way of reading how the defense will respond. A lot of the time it just makes the offense stagnant and, in turn, allows the defense to relax, which in college and high school ball would obviously be a bad thing, but this is the NBA; The NBA game, more often than not, revolves around isolation for star players to "do their thing".

Originally Posted by Wongtouski

Dirk is just too damn high up there, the guy (more than once now) disappears in big games. He did it again last year in the playoffs, just wasn't there at all in the must win. Plus he's just about to (or has) past his prime.

Ok i totally forgot about Gasol in my Top 10 haha, he should replace Amare. My bad there.

Dirk
I have no idea where you come off saying that he "disappears"...He had a very good showing in last year's post-season and he shot above 50% from the field....Now that he has some decent threats down low in Haywood and Chandler, I think he will shine even more this year.

Gasol
I would put up a very strong arguement that Gasol is the most skilled center in the league. However, what has put him over the top is that he's developed a more physical, aggressive mindset.

Originally Posted by G-spec

some good lists you guys got up, here's my opinions on the question marks on those lists.


Amarehas always heavily relied on the point guard and the pick and roll game, he's got a very good offensive skill set but I really look forward to seeing how he's gonna do without the pick and roll skills of a Steve Nash.

Dwight is too uncoordinated on offense, I really REALLY hope he gets to like a young Shaq level on offense I can't tell you guys how much fun I had watching Penny Hardaway and Shaq do work in Orlando. I wanna see something like that again. But on defense however his timing and coordination is down to an art, well... I mean aside from smashing his own teammates when he lands on them, lol... he's already put a few buddies out of actions landing on his own guys after a huge block, I remember when he elbowed Jameer and Courtney comin down off blocks in the same game,


Danny Granger good player, but dude is a straight up volume shooter, that's been his criticism for the last 3 years from the experts too. He needs 30+ shots per game to average around 20+ ppg. The league is filled with guys who could average 25 ppg if they got that many shots per game. There's a reason he got so little playing time on the US world Champion team in Turkey.
When he came back to Indiana after healing from his injury first thing he did was start bitching about how he wasn't getting his typical shots per game, and at the time Indiana was on a winning streak and finally someone on the coaching staff realized hey lets get other guys involved in the offense it might work, and it did.



I don't know how any top 10 list can be made without Steve Nash on there, plus he a local boy ! and this coming from a die hard Chris Paul fan who firmly believes CP3 will go down in history as the all time steal and assist leader. Even with tough competition from D-will and CP3 Stevie boy ripped it up last season as evident by how well the Suns did



oh and as far as homeboy Bosh his offensive prowess is boss! who said he has only a few moves ?? super quick for a big man, got moves like a guard, and he's got a midrange jumper from either elbow and top of the key that's money, and once he gets the ball swung to him and he's on the weak side, it's gonna be a basket or and 1 almost every time. This year his shooting percentage is gonna go through the roof with all the attention on Lebron and Wade, but I do feel they might try to stuff him down on the block and make a full blown rebounder out of him because of his length size and quickness, I feel that would be a waste though.

I think Lebron should run PG and give up about 10 maybe even 15ppg, focus more on defense as well, just so they could really let Wade and Bosh loose. I think that would impress the fans a lot more than him scoring 30ppg this season, and it would mean a lot of forgiveness from all the haters if he really started playing super unselfishly and ran point this year.

Amare
I wonder if Felton will do anything for Amare. Either way, it's quite the downgrade from a Steve Nash.

Granger
Agreed

Nash
I love Nash, but I just can't put him in my top 10 and the reason being his defense. He gets destroyed in the post-season on the defensive end by the elite point gaurds, particularly Tony Parker. Last post-season was an exception, however Parker was just coming off an injury and was still clearly affected by it. Offensively, however, I would argue that Nash is still the best play-maker in the league till this day.

Originally Posted by Wongtouski

Amare's production will probably drop a little, but then again he's with D'antoni again and he will get a lot more possessions and touches. So who knows, and with that line up they are sorta atheletic enough to get in passing lanes and take some charges, provided D'antoni bothers to practice defense

D12 will never have Shaq's post game, if he did, it would be here already. If he's really dedicated to improving his game, why the hell wasn't he in team USA this summer? He's great on D no doubt, just has to stop stupidly swatting balls outta bounds and to his teammates instead ala Russell.

Granger, what u said = exactly on point

LOVE Nash, not sure at this pt in his career he can be top 10.....

And as to your last 2 paragraphs....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

that is all.

Amare
Why would Amare get more posessions in New York than in Phoenix? Since trading Shaq, Phoenix has gone back to the run-and-gun style of play, and thus are at the top of the list along with the GSW for most possessions per game and most points per game.