[penner2k]

Originally Posted by Marco911

Yes, actually it would make me feel better if the seize occurs after an injury/death occurs.

Most of you morons are not educated enough to realize that most of our fundamental freedoms and the principles of justice in free societies are based on the philosophical thought of Aristotle, Immanuel Kant, Jon Stuart Mill and John Rawls. Whether it's called a constititution, or charter of rights, laws in free societies are written with reference to these philisophical principles. Fundamental to these freedoms is the concept of "private property rights." You will note that in societies that are not free, such as with Communism and Fascism, private citizens do not have private property rights and the state can confiscate property at will from its citizens. You see this happening right now in Iran and North Korea.

In a free society, confiscating private property is a big fucking deal. According to philosophers, government should only be allowed to confiscate property under the following conditions:

(1) Property has been gained through illicit means - This is why we allow courts to confiscate property of Madoff or drug dealers as part of "proceeds of crime" legislation because they did not gain these assets fairly and harmed society in acquiring these assets.

(2) Civil compensation to VICTIMS

Since (1) does not apply, the government has decided to use (2). In this case, the excessive speeding is a victimless crime UNLESS someone suffers damages. Did the government compensate the woman with her kids or any other pedestrians? No, because there are no victims for this crime. The offence should never have reached a severity of confiscating a citizen's private property since the government had as its disposal, other means to reduce perceived "risk" to society: - They are able to rescind the driving privileges of perpertrators. The fact that the govt forces a sale of the vehicles and keeps part of the proceeds is THEFT by the government.

Now if someone fought this and brought up these points and the courts sided with them couldnt pretty much every person that loses their cars to this bs law turn around and sue the govt?