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Originally Posted by BallPeenHammer2
at about 20k, then slow down to 10K to make the right turn <=====did we miss that parT? how slow should I be going then, hmmm?
It was something that I was not able to see. whatever it was that made my car slip, was only made aware to me when it happened.
I figured it was just ice/uneven patch, hidden underneath softer top layer of snow. I wasn't able to see any of that at all. I managed to stop quickly, since i was going only 10KM/H <----incase you missed it the second time.
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Sarcasim will not make your point of view correct. As
you told us, you lost control, therefore, by definition you were "speeding relative to conditions". An experienced winter driver will anticipate ice/slippery roads in certain areas...intersections are prime locations. The slowing vehicles tyres will compress snow and form ice. The heat from the idling engines also melt snow which freezes into ice. When I approach intersections I expect that I may encounter this and drive accordingly. I slow
way earlier than normal, slip the tranny into neutral and use a
very light brake application. 10 kmh was obviously too fast in your specific case. I will be barely moving.....maybe 1 or 2 kmh as I creep to the stop line.
Most of the winter traffic crashes I investigated in town were due to drivers doing just what you did and getting surprised by slippery conditions. They then slid thru stop signs, red lights, bounced off curbs, tagged pedestrians on crosswalks...that sort of thing.
Drivers in BC don't get as much winter driving experience as those in the rest of Canada. ROC drivers know to expect slippery areas at intersections and drive accordingly. Those who move here from snow and ice belt areas are astonished at how badly we drive here, as some other "imports" on this BB will likely tell you. Spend a couple of winters in Ontario, Newfoundland or Alberta and you will quickly get the needed on-the-job winter driver training. I'm not calling you a bad driver, just one who exceeded the available traction in this situation that you described to us. Just a question..if you were not at fault, who are you blaming? I know ICBC would hold you responsible for any resulting crash in the circumstances you described.