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k so after driving down no.4 road which is ultimately in the worst ever condition, and cambie which was better, I can say that the roads are iced up beneath the snow as I lost traction and traction control kicked in turning onto no.4 even when I was slow as fuck (tho my glk is heavy as fuck too). but yeah even winter rated tires will not do well in these roads, need studded tires. Not to mention there are still WRXes going weeee and X3s going wooo and tailgating sighs. I did not see the c-lai c classes tho thankfully.
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