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Gridlock · 12-19-2011, 08:35 AM

Yes! And whether you disagree with the policy or you don't, with a federal mandate, conservative states like Alabama and liberal states like California get lumped together. It's never going to work and you get people that aren't happy.

In the american system, your vote is so disconnected from the presidency that you really don't have a say. Look up their electoral college and you'll see that you don't vote for the president. You vote for a delegate to vote for president on your behalf. Meaning if there are a few more votes for the republican in your state then your entire state votes republican. You voted for a democrat, but your state went republican, so you voted republican.

And that is a major problem. So either you believe in this massive federal government, and you therefore need to revise the electoral college system, or the power gets pushed back to the state level-which was the design, and already has a legislative body set up,by design, to do so complete with a state house, senate and governor and its own court.

I think its easier to have the power pushed back to the states except for instances where it needs to be federal...defense and foreign affairs, a few others like national money supply and such. But for the most part, it would be gutted to the point that presidential elections would be far less important.

But power likes power, and they've been making the position more powerful any chance they get. You can make that work as well, but you need to just accept that this is not the system you started out with and you can probably save on not having 50x a legislature, state senate and governor-because imagine how much THAT costs to operate. Each guy starts out at 75k.

I just extrapolated based on the representatives, senators and pay rate for illinois(first that came up in a search) and I got 600,000,000 a year JUST on elected officials for all the state houses(obviously this number is wrong as pay rates and #'s would be different for other states). Haven't put the lights on or paid a single secretary or aid. Ron Paul wants to get his billion dollars worth out of these guys.

LOL...california senators make 95k per year plus per diem. There are 40 of them.

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Gridlock Banned By Establishment Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New West Posts: 3,997 Thanked 2,982 Times in 1,135 Posts Failed 284 Times in 109 Posts	Yes! And whether you disagree with the policy or you don't, with a federal mandate, conservative states like Alabama and liberal states like California get lumped together. It's never going to work and you get people that aren't happy. In the american system, your vote is so disconnected from the presidency that you really don't have a say. Look up their electoral college and you'll see that you don't vote for the president. You vote for a delegate to vote for president on your behalf. Meaning if there are a few more votes for the republican in your state then your entire state votes republican. You voted for a democrat, but your state went republican, so you voted republican. And that is a major problem. So either you believe in this massive federal government, and you therefore need to revise the electoral college system, or the power gets pushed back to the state level-which was the design, and already has a legislative body set up,by design, to do so complete with a state house, senate and governor and its own court. I think its easier to have the power pushed back to the states except for instances where it needs to be federal...defense and foreign affairs, a few others like national money supply and such. But for the most part, it would be gutted to the point that presidential elections would be far less important. But power likes power, and they've been making the position more powerful any chance they get. You can make that work as well, but you need to just accept that this is not the system you started out with and you can probably save on not having 50x a legislature, state senate and governor-because imagine how much THAT costs to operate. Each guy starts out at 75k. I just extrapolated based on the representatives, senators and pay rate for illinois(first that came up in a search) and I got 600,000,000 a year JUST on elected officials for all the state houses(obviously this number is wrong as pay rates and #'s would be different for other states). Haven't put the lights on or paid a single secretary or aid. Ron Paul wants to get his billion dollars worth out of these guys. LOL...california senators make 95k per year plus per diem. There are 40 of them.