[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by inkcognito

Just thought I'd throw this in here. I didn't need this to get me laid, but look at it as some sort of guideline for the beginners, or someone who's getting a little rusty due to being in a long-term relationship. It was definitely a good read also!

the book is a good "guide" and just to kinda get you "pumped" and in the "mindset" for this kinda stuff. everyone has their own style though. I find too many people read this book and try to emulate it 100%... they don't really learn the social aspects of interaction... they just read the little corny tricks and lines and... they basically become a one trick pony. they still didn't gain anything out of it.

well, i guess the book mainly gets you to DO it.. to take the first step and approach that hottie you have been eyeing for the past 10min. most men don't even take that step, let alone the corny tricks and lines the book tries to teach you.

Originally Posted by Tapioca

My point is that one night stands usually come as a result of luck. I disagree with the view that if a guy works on his ONS game enough, he will get lucky. It takes skill to close, but getting noticed by a woman is not a skill.

Trancehead: agree with your points above. Men can definitely make themselves more attractive and therefore increase their chances of casual sex.
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i still don't get what you're saying. you say it comes from luck (yes i agree some aspect is luck, like anything in life, being in the right place at the right time with the right state of mind and taking action right at the right moment).... but that's EVERYTHING in life.

ignoring being at the right place at the right time... taking action is the skill... we can all agree on that. even if the action is incorrect (can be corrected and modified later). how many times do we hesitate and the moment slips away? action is a skill. that's universally agreed on this thread... ok next:

you go on to say, getting noticed by women is not a skill?
but you just agreed with what trancehead said... the stuff you can control, how much money you have, your looks, your charisma etc... makes you more attractive therefore increases the chances for casual sex (not just casual... increase your chases for ALL forms of attraction, not just sexual).

i'm sure you can remember a time in your life when you couldn't get the attention of the woman you're attracted to (we don't care about attracting women you're not attracted to... lol a 4/10 woman could be totally in love with a cool guy but... who cares about her, we're not trying to get her).

i mean, everyone has had a time in their life where you tried a buncha shit but you couldn't get noticed by the chick you want. some people are still stuck in this rut. i mean, you might not be, but i'm sure you have plenty of friends that are. so yes, maybe if they get lucky... well.. its luck of being right place right time and taking action. but what about YOU? what about trancehead or me? or all the other RS sluts?

getting the attention of a woman by initiating is a skill (action), and of course she has to divert her attention to you... you are interacting with her... even if it's just a small action like smiling and saying hi. she will have your attention for at least a split second.

what about just standing there? and having women eye you down. being the one where women eye you for the past 10min? is that a skill? being good looking naturally is obviously not a skill. but there's plenty of good looking guys that cant properly groom themselves, cant dress, or as soon as they interact with women they're socially awkward (or they're just socially awkward all the time).

Getting her to recognize you exist is a low level skill. to get the "full attention" of a woman is skill. it requires all of the above. luck being at the right place right time. taking action. having social skills. charisma. good looks. etc whatever. it's a whole package deal.

one trick ponies don't get very far. but it's still a form of skill.

there are guys that can't even do what one trick ponies do. they would be happy if a girl even looked them in the eye for more than 3 seconds and smiled.


guy #1: has everything. educated, smooth, charismatic, got money, looks good, dresses well, etc. got everything.

guy #2: only has half of what guy #1 has.

so if we put them in some simulation and they're both able to pick up the same super hottie they've both been eyeing... who has more skill?

can you really say guy 2 has more skill than guy 1? sure guy 2 has a lot more to compensate... but maybe it's just that girl only cares about half of those things.
or like you say, maybe she's also looking for a ONS. you don't know these things. you aren't psychic or have clairvoyance. you don't know anything about any situation other than the information that is perceived by you. and we all know perception is highly skewed. we can put 5 men in the same situation and they could all say different things about it.

that's why i said... as long as you close... that's the main skill. thats the only "thing" that matters. if you close, you win.

if you can't even get noticed by the woman, then there's no way you can close.

say you're right and getting noticed by a woman is not a skill. it's just luck. you just said closing is a skill. but ONS is not? is ONS not closing?!

as soon as the tip of your dick enters some orifice in her, you're closing. that's it. game over. you (both) win.

Originally Posted by mr_chin

I guess you can say it takes social skills, and anyone who can have a long conversation with someone will eventually find their target. Their intention takes the night away and they act/say everything out by nature.

You're probably right that most guys on here won't even have a chance if given the chance, and that is because it's not their intention in the first place to have a ONS or they've never really done it before.

You have to go out there with the real feel of wanting a ONS. If you're saying these guys can get ONS with any girls because they possess "this" skill, then I say that's pretty skilled. But this is not the case. The girl(s) must want to in the first place, be it just "wanting" to meet someone at a bar/club to really wanting a ONS. So is it really a skill trait or is it just filtering out girls who want and not want a ONS?

I'm pretty sure a lot of guys, while standing at a club or eyeing some girl, they have the intent of wanting to meet her, they don't think about whether it's gonna be a ONS or a long term relationship... they just wanna get to know her and whatever happens happens.

I know personally if I'm out on the prowl, i don't lock my mindset to one thing. if i meet a chick and she's really cool i'm not gonna just fuck and dump her JUST cuz i was on the prowl for a ONS. maybe she's really cool and a relationship past one night is an option.

a girl doesn't have to want a ONS to get put into a ONS situation. there are tons of greasy slick guys that will say anything to get a girl in bed. I've seen tons of guys "trick" "nice/innocent" girls into ONS. they say they love them or whatever the girl wants to hear, and she's so ignorant that she sleeps with him. then the guy just never fucking calls her back and she feels used and cries her eyes out or whatever. that's still a ONS right? but only one party knew beforehand that it was premeditated.

I guess like i said above, perception matters a lot. maybe your skill set comes from being able to identify who wants a ONS and who doesn't. that's not how I go do things though. I just go do whatever, and whatever happens happens. if it happens to be a one night stand then i label it AFTER wards that it's a one night stand.

Let me give u another example:
I out with my buddies partying. one of my buddies brings a female friend. The club is kinda dead that night and that female friend is actually the most attractive girl there. All the other guys try to buy her drinks and talk to her and dance with her, but she kinda just keeps her distance and plays friendly. I start talking to her and we click. I find her physically decent, and intelligent enough that i'm not repulsed. and vice versa for her. we don't make out or grind or anything at the club. we talk a lot and while having a few drinks. at the end of the night, I grab her hand and take her home... the deed is done. the next day we part ways and we keep in contact via text. She texts a lot and over the course of the next YEAR, we never meet again. but she consistently texts. she doesn't bitch about being used or whatever. but always hints at the fact we should meet again. that never happens. after a year, we stop talking.

is that not a one night stand?
it wasnt premeditated.

was it luck? why didn't she go home with any of the other guys? was it how I looked? how i dressed? what i said to her? what was it? was she looking for a ONS and picked me? was it luck? I don't know. All i know is, whatever she saw in me, that was the only "skill" i needed that particular night for that particular girl.

yeah i would consider that night "lucky". I didn't have to do anything except just be more interesting than the other guys in the club (no sweat there). but those are inherit skills that i have displayed to be better than the other guys that night.

This has happened many times. is it consistent "luck"? why have those other guys not have had this "luck" to them ever?

what if the girl was a complete stranger? would make it more "skilled" that I got her?

that example was the "easiest" lay i have ever gotten where I was the one to initiate. there were much easier ones where the girls initiated (is that luck as well? what if they initiated and i was a total turn off?).

I don't know man... I think everything is skill.
Like a race car, you can't just have a good engine, or good tires, or aerodynamics or whatever. you have to have a good balance of everything. i think it's all skill.

the only time I could admit where it was purely luck was... I was in HK and it was 6am and i walked outta volar. there was this chick standing there that just eyed me down and ran away from her friends and asked me to go "ktv" with her and her friends. she was pretty hot (and pretty drunk), so i went. obviously we didn't go to KTV. to me that was luck. but again. there were a hundred other guys to choose from. was it one of the passive skills (looks, dress) that I had? or was it blind luck and she just rolled the dice and the first guy that walked into her sight she would jump on?

I don't know. I don't care. I know I got laid, and the people around me didn't.


I have this other friend, he's a total "professor" type. really smart, super high IQ. he's a genius level intellect type guy. KIND of socially awkward (he'll do weird shit like sleep in clubs if he's tired instead of hitting on the hot girls sitting beside him, or go into some intellectual ramble... a total tangent from the current situation), and no street smarts. he dresses fairly decently. and looks decent. he is very reckless and adventurous. this guy is unbelievable. no shame, no fear. he hits on every hot girl he sees. he'll chase a girl across a block if he seems her walking. he approaches every girl he sees, even if they're with their BF's or other guys. he has really high standards for looks too. like REALLY high. this guy has fucked so many girls in his life. and like 70% of them are fucking REALLY hot. because he tries and tries again. he doesnt give up. even if it's the same girl. according to you, his skillset is luck. but from my perspective, he's got way more game and way more skill than me. even though he's not as good looking and not as smooth. he has the balls. he takes action 100x more than me. he follows through and just fucking keeps trying. he's probably fucked at least 200+ girls in his life. and most of them are gorgeous women that you see more in magazines than in real life. luck? skill? both? I don't know. u can call it luck or whatever... I just know he's fucking the girls I wanna fuck almost on a regular basis, and I'm happy as hell if I can get one of those chicks once in a while.

I guess the only thing we can learn from this thread is some people like being machine gunners, and some people like being snipers. whatever works for them. everyone has their own style. but i still think it's all skill. operating a machine gun and sniper rifle both require a different set of skills.