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Originally Posted by meme405
I never posted any pictures in this thread. Instead of getting defensive and calling me ignorant, maybe you should take the time and go realize that I am not the OP of this thread..
And I have seen countless cops flagging cars over without vests on, like I said in another post, I saw two officers on the lions gate 3 weeks ago now doing exactly that. Others have posted saying they as well have seen this.
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You're right, I mistook you being the OP. I wasn't calling you ignorant due to being defensive. I wasn't using it really in a negative way. A lot of people use RCMP, VPD, Delta PD, New West PD etc interchangeably, thinking they are the same, which they are not.
I never said it doesn't happen, I said I have never seen it personally. If you are so concerned about it, why don't you report them to their respective detachments?
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Originally Posted by meme405
Look Spidey its not this complicated:
Wording in the Federal OH&S:
12.13 Where an employee is regularly exposed to contact with moving vehicles during his work, he shall
(a) wear a high-visibility vest or other similar clothing, or
(b) be protected by a barricade
that is readily visible under all conditions of use.
Wording in the provincial OH&S:
High visibility apparel
8.24 (1) Repealed. [B.C. Reg. 242/2006, s. 1 (a).]
(2) A worker exposed to the hazards of vehicles travelling at speeds in excess of 30 km/h (20 mph) must wear high visibility apparel meeting the Type 1 or Type 2 criteria of WCB Standard Personal Protective Equipment Standard 2-1997, High Visibility Garment.
(3) A worker whose duties on the work site result in exposure to the hazards of mobile equipment must wear high visibility apparel meeting at least the Type 3 criteria of WCB Standard Personal Protective Equipment Standard 2-1997, High Visibility Garment.
These are NOT optional regulations. They are to be ENFORCED by all employers.
If you step out onto the road, as I have seen officers do while trying to pull someone they just radared out of traffic over, they are exposed to vehicles moving at more than 30km/h, directly at that moment they have done something wrong. PERIOD.
I have seen this done, as I am sure others have as well.
I cannot believe this discussion has gone on this long with you and Zulu still not fathoming this.
You can continue to dance around and call me out for mistaking worksafe for federal employees and stuff, but the concrete evidence is right here in front of your face. I have no idea why you are calling your friends at the PD trying to find out more information and crap like that.
I ask two questions of you:
1. Are you supplied in every vehicle with a high visibility vest? Or are you given one as part of your standard equipment?
2. When you were given this what was explained to you about its use?
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Like I said above, if you care so much, why don't you report it to their employers? It isn't in front of my face because again, I have never witnessed it personally. All my colleagues wear the vest while conducting traffic ops, and when attending motor vehicle accidents.
Regarding the Provincial regulations, I am asking my buddy at VPD because who else am I going to ask? I didn't ask him regarding his personal opinion on the matter but how he was trained/told. If this happened all the time, and you believe it is a huge deal, why hasn't Worksafe done anything about it? Why don't you call up Worksafe and The local police departments and ask them what is up? I am sure regardless, you won't be satisfied with their answers.
I called you out on mistaking Provincial employees for Feds and vice versa, because they both have their own Regulation. If you are going to complain about seeing a North Van Cop (RCMP) commit an infraction under the Provincial OH/S Reg, it is completely irrelevant.
I know this is going to rustle your jimmies big time, but, regarding
(2) A worker exposed to the hazards of vehicles travelling at speeds in excess of 30 km/h (20 mph) must wear high visibility apparel meeting the Type 1 or Type 2 criteria of WCB Standard Personal Protective Equipment Standard 2-1997, High Visibility Garment.
The way I read it is, if I was doing traffic control or attending a accidents where vehicles are travelling at their normal speeds of about 50-70km/hr, yes a high vis vest would be required. If I am conducting a traffic ops where the target vehicle was clocked speeding a few hundred feet away, or the driver was observed using a cell phone, by stopping the vehicle, the vehicle would have slowed down significantly by the time they reached the officer. So it isn't as if the officer was working in an environment where cars were going above 30 past him left, right and centre. So IMO, the regulation isn't black or white. It leaves room for some argument. Is it best practice to wear a high vis vest if you are going to walk onto the street to pull a car over? Yes. I won't argue with you on that. But by saying it is crystal clear, I don't agree with. I won't bother posting the reply I got from my buddy since you didn't feel his insight would be valid.
As for
12.13 Where an employee is
regularly exposed to contact with moving vehicles during his work, he shall
(a) wear a high-visibility vest or other similar clothing, or
(b) be protected by a barricade
that is readily visible under all conditions of use.
Being on the sidewalk and then entering the street every 10 minutes or so doesn't constitute "regularly exposed", imo. Directing traffic while standing in the middle of the street would be "regularly exposing" myself to the vehicles.
I cannot answer for the municipal departments, but every RCMP officer is given their own high visibility vest. Personally I don't remember being told about the Federal OH/S Reg, but I could have been, and wasn't paying attention
. As for when to wear them I was during traffic ops, mvi's, traffic control, and construction zones/around hazardous machinery.