[Hondaracer]

Well dressing casually to a place like Hy's, even though it's not ultra high end by any means is probably amongst the reasons why service has fallen off, if indeed it has. It's hard for me to consider even Hawks, etc to feel like fine dining when there's a guy next to me in jeans and a long sleeve.

I find the typical Vancouver dining crowd couldn't care less about etiquette which is seemingly why we don't have any ultra high end stuff locally, it seems like no one would embrace it.

On a few separate occasions as the downtown Hy's I've had absolutely terrific service, nearly on par with Michelin star places I went to in Paris. Older men who were extremely tentative, very detail oriented, and went far above and beyond what would be expected. Although it may have helped that apparently the guy was like The "go to" front of the house man.

It's quite a shame that the white table service is vanishing, although it mainly took a massive hit when mortons left. I quite enjoy getting service which I feel actually justifies a generous tip.