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Originally Posted by mikemhg
Really? You think Portland is 4/10 and Vancouver is so much better? I definitely disagree with you, if anything going down to Portland reminds me how much we've been sold a complete lie up here in Vancouver.
Housing, taxes, affordability, I think Portland beats Vancouver in all of these factors. Given the cost of living in Vancouver, what exactly makes this city so much better than Portland? I'm not seeing it, and please don't say mountain and beaches, that shit is getting tired, Oregon has both.
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Oregon has both, Portland doesn't.
Portland has its charm I can appreciate it. but it's kind of a dump to be honest. It's cleaner than most American cities I've been to but it's still pretty run down in some areas, and even just blocks over from established/developed areas there's boarded up homes and whole buildings.
The homeless problem there is wayyyy more rampant than in Vancouver. It's a fucking joke that Van is always brought up as this blight on the city in the DTES, the DTES is like 6 square blocks.. you can walk through the rest of the downtown core MAYBE seeing a beggar here and there but in Portland there's like roaming groups of them, tent cities everywhere and people sprawled out on the middle of the sidewalk in sleeping bags etc. parks along the river are pretty gross and littered with garbage and bums.
Housing? Sure your average run down place on the east side is still 550+ from what I saw at two different realtor outlets and the nice older homes on the west side around knob hill and Washington park are 800-1.8. No sales tax obviously helps but that's an afterthought in terms of a change of lifestyle in moving there.
Portland was not nearly as nice overall as I Expected and it's geographical location was completely not what I thought. A fairly ugly city overall outside of its nicer heritage buildings.
The points brought up above in terms of coffee and beer, I'll give them the slight advantage in coffee as the producers there seem more passionate and more into the process than they do here (although knowing some of the local producers id make an argument it's hard to be more passionate than some of them)
The beer situation though, I dunno..I'm giving BC/Van the nod overall on the beer. It's feels like Portland has kind of sagged in their top notch breweries and similar to van, become Saturated with half ass breweries pushing out whatever they can. I drank a lot of beer down there his past week and almost nothing stood out for me, and I was drinking recommendations from tasting room owners and bartenders the whole time.
Vancouver is the jewel of the Pacific Northwest. The best geographically located major core and the most beautiful by far. Edit* the Air is also seemingly wayyy cleaner in Van than it is in both cities in question.
Can't deal with the downsides? Then you can move to abbotsford and get that Portland feel for 650. It's a more attractive place to be for me, and the people who are paying these prices to live here.