[melloman]

Originally Posted by coupelove

Alright, thoughts, action plans... instead of scapegoating some kid as responsible for an entire "group", can we talk about actual solutions and steps to take regarding the legality of vehicles/mods and ensuring my ability to travel.

I am not interested in any media, lawsuits, or harassment claims. I am only interested in avoiding a tow box 1 order, while still holding onto a shred of my right to property and free travel. We all know the system allows peace officers to issue ANYONE a VI, and that will not change. What can I do? I read a ton on the MVA and so far my plan is

1) make sure my car is legal according to the MVA.

From what I read that is ticketable offence in the MVA, the major things modified cars do that is illegal is
- above 86db sound limit(aftermarket exhaust is LEGAL, don't have 3 inch exhaust and a 4 inch tip though)
- pieces of the car lower then the rim (splitters, slammed cars with scraping bumpers)
- wheel alignment that is visually out of alignment (yup VISIBLE CAMBER is a crime, fucking sucks but it is, keep it gentlemanly with your stance I guess). This sucks because there is no number, its only visual
- windshields, lights, tint, rubbing, obstructions to windows, obvious shit just make sure your car is good. There isn't tickets for a lot of things, but a lot of random little things are actual valid reasons your vehicle is unsafe.

2) get an alignment and get an inspection before cain gets me, keep the paperwork it in the car at all times and present it with your insurance/DL. Don't give them time to use the "I already started writing it" excuse. Show them your car is legal, and alignment is within spec (you have proof your camber is within spec, they lie when they say it looks like camber)

3) change my cars title to "modified" with ICBC. By modified I do not mean "collector" "modified collector" or "vintage" as these are all different distinctions. See: https://www.icbc.com/vehicle-registr...-vehicles.aspx I have yet to read anything about someone who has done this, someone here must have though. Basically you give a passed inspection, easy paperwork and some photos to ICBC and they review your car on a case by case basis. If you have any modifications that improve the performance of your vehicle beyond factory specs in any way, you most likely will qualify.

4) Drive like a mench, have a dashcam for evidence when you get tickets for having done all your due diligence in regards to the legality of your modified vehicle. Breathe easy knowing your car is actually as legal as it can get.

5) Dispute the notice and order when it comes (it will come either way). This is where i'm a little murky on the process, I know that it is possible to have the notice pulled back, or a 15 day extension to the inspection in special circumstances. I just don't know exactly how to do it, and would love to hear from someone who has. I assume its as simple as pleading your rational case to a judge that your car is legal, with all your paperwork and insurance and they will pull the order. Judges know the rules, cops don't, this is why I am doing this process because in court is where the law matters. File a formal complaint each time.


If it happens enough, its likely our rights are being violated. We have a charter right to property and to do with it what I wish(within the law), and I have rights that protect my privilege to drive. If an officer says I must "go to dealership" for the inspection, that is for sure a rights violation. You have a right to follow the law, the law is to use a DIF, any DIF, just needs to be a DIF. cops don't get to tell you what to do with your property... after all your just trying to follow the laws.

facts: modified cars are legal, modifying your car is your right, aftermarket exhaust can be legal, lowered cars certainly aren't illegal, cops are dicks to people with cool cars.


This shit stresses me out, after I take car of my own car I will gladly engage in some group thought to change the system.

Originally Posted by white rocket

Thanks for posting your video cho. Like the other front plate video that was posted, it's always good to hear how the officer is speaking and what triggers him/her. You could hear the cop almost get his hackles up when you starting to ask a question but then kind of backed down when he realized you weren't being confrontational and only wanted further information on how to be more compliant. With today's climate it's almost like they are on the offensive right away and your demeanor, being super nice and "hat in hand", will talk them off the ledge. Even an inkling of confrontation and it seems like they will flip a switch and be complete cunts. Either way, you're getting a VI regardless and that's just shitty.

In terms of that officers reasoning, being too low is obvious from the above pic but factory performance exhaust and camber? What a moron. Camber looks near stock and there is plenty of contact patch so for him to focus on that more than actually being too low makes him look retarded. They are reaching to the moon on these infractions and there's nothing that you can do at the time other than just take it up the tailpipe, so to speak.

Been a long time since I had to deal with police constantly hounding me, as my cars have gotten more and more "legal", yet you do not need to just take it up the butt.

You need to inform yourself with the MVA rules and what is in, and out of compliance. "Coupelove" has tried to inform you abit on what to watch out for, but there are numerous other things.

Bullet points:
-DB limit
-Height of vehicle (bottom of rim must be lowest part of car, yet there are also headlight height restrictions that say from the center of the headlight, it must fall between X and Y. Furthermore you will get hassled for "finger gap" yet there is no MVA law that dictates a specific gap is required, as long as you can make full lock both ways without rubbing the fender lip)
-Unsafe wheel alignment (they never hit me over camber specifically so I cannot speak on this behalf, yet my vehicle was always "in alignment" and I had a copy of said alignment in the vehicle to show any cop who questioned it)
-Tire tread (tire tread, must be fully enclosed underneath the fender to reduce debris damage to other vehicles. Yet this does not mean you cannot stretch the tire and leave the stretch past the fender, this is not an MVA violation)
-Tint (ofcourse)

One thing to also remember, is all the parts on your vehicle must be "approved" parts. If the part you buy says "offroad use only" then it is illegal to be used on the roads, technically.