First off fuck my browser for logging me out and making me type all this twice, so I likely missed some points or fucked something up while doing it again which I apologize for.
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Originally Posted by meme405
This is bullshit too, I see this all the time with regards to public servants.
"oh but they are in a different department".
That's fucking junk, if one department is flooded and the other is dead slow to the point that they spend their time chasing pennies out of wishing ponds, then those workers should be transferred over to the busier departments.
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What I mean is are they actually qualified to do that? In the case of your stuff being stolen it’s no better if some guy who normally does parking enforcement shows up who has no clue how to deal with a theft.
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Originally Posted by westopher
Second, the MVA and CVSE are not the same. My car was 100% compliant with the MVA, however CVSE says there must be one inch of clearance between tire and fender
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To me that’s the better issue to be trying to correct since it’s the underlying cause of actual problems. What I have read of the MVA is largely a mess of poorly worded grey areas that really needs a complete revamp, along with the N&O system. Bumming off the CVSE system just creates even more grey area and headaches like yours.
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Originally Posted by westopher
You can continue to ignore this to further your argument like so far, or, you can acknowledge that I broke no laws
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I never said that you did. It’s unfortunate that it was your car that got hit like that, but if anyone wants to actually try to fix something at least you’re someone who has been around here long enough to make it obvious that you don’t exclude details (small consolation I know). Guys who join up to post about the VI but leave out the details that make it obvious that they were breaking laws (like the guy with the poke) don’t help anything and just make your car look like more of an exception to the rule that would get ignored by someone outside of RS looking at this.
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Originally Posted by westopher
Like I said, I'll get my fucking car inspected every year if thats what it takes, but I shouldn't be towing it there or be left on the side of the road with my plates seized with no recourse for that to happen if thats what they want.
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The only problem is VIs will still exist thanks to the people who swap parts to pass and then swap back to illegal right after passing, so then you’ve got an annual inspection (pricey overall, though I know you can’t put a price on the convenience of being able to plan around it) and a possible VI later as well. If there are going to be annual inspections IMO the gongshow of an MVA and N&O still need a revamp first and foremost or we’ve got the same mess as now but with annual inspections on top to boot.
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Originally Posted by ButterFingers
I believe a majority of people here are confident that they are not violating the MVA, but are we confident that some of the VPDs know the MVA? No.
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The VPD isn’t doing the inspections though. If that’s the concern people should be swapping parts before getting a VI, not halfway through.
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Originally Posted by ButterFingers
If a VPD ripped up a VI-passed sticker off a car and reissued another VI, what stops them from doing it again?
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From my understanding that’s only happened to the guy that swapped parts to pass, and then went back to illegal right afterwards, but I may have missed something. Granted it’s a large city so the odds of the same officer crossing paths with the same car repeatedly are slimmer. But the issue is that the guys with illegal mods cause the same problem for the VPD when they swap back right after passing.
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Originally Posted by ButterFingers
I get that you are playing devils advocate, and it does help generate discussion. But in a situation like this, where non-violators are being affected with repercussions only being dealt to us, it is unfair to us. Cops are to serve public interest. Even if we are a minority in the community, we still pay our taxes and are not violating the law. The whole issue is how one-sided the law policies are in regards to the issuance of VIs where no accountability is held when a person is innocent.
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Hence why I say the people leaving out details are just making it worse. If anyone wants to actually achieve anything here then the valid VIs need to be separated out or all the general public is going to think is that those pesky street racers with their loud cars are complaining about having to pay a couple hundred bucks because they got caught doing something illegal again (yes I know a box 1 like westophers costs a lot more but all they’re likely to see is the actual inspection cost) and it all gets ignored.
I dunno, maybe I'm nuts for thinking something useful can be done from this, but if anyone wants to get there then how things are perceived by non-car people is crucial since that's what the people in charge are.