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Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS
Hey. I can't believe I'm saying this but, Trollface is right.
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No, trollface isn't right. He still thinks its Dukes fault(watch the video), he doesn't realize people have been getting VI's for 10+YEARS, and the car community has been discouraged to death thanks to police. There is no car scene in van anymore. He lives in a bubble, thinking because someone hasn't happened to him, it must not happen to anyone. Same type of person who thinks its reasonable for the government to read emails "because they have nothing to hide". We are supposed to be able to live in spirit of this free and democratic nation, free to act within our rights as we wish as long as we don't violate anyone else's rights and follow laws. Saying that there are only a few BS vi's in this thread is evidence that this isn't an actual problem is not actually evidence. Most car GVA enthusiasts aren't on RS, obviously. If he had car friends, he would know they don't want to come van anymore in fear of the police.
What smoking gun is he looking for? There won't ever be one, because legally, basically every single VI is justified. It doesn't mean police actions are justified or beneficial, just because its legal. Any awareness work with the media will create no change. Change in the BC/Canadian system is a long and difficult process, unless you personally know horgan or stewart.
Bic, LOVE the idea of the open doc! Hopefully, this can act as some type of PSA in regards to whats legal, what isn't and avoid a view VI's here and there.
I'm curious, is there any reason why you don't cite the MVA regulations? Do you know that the MVA, and MVAR are two different acts that are different, but both apply? Its a lot of work to understand the legality of a modified car, so its not surprising that police also get it wrong. There is a actually quite a few things in your post I think are incorrect, I will try to get into the document later with sources to prove otherwise. When you say CVSE, I assume your citing the inspection manual? right off the bat the exhaust thing is wrong, CVSE inspection manual doesn't have a DB limit (thats in the MVAR). Its up to the inspector to deem it reasonable for the output of the engine.
The rules for exhaust I interpret very clearly(7.03). For some reason, lots of people think any modified exhaust portion is illegal(which is silly).
You can't have a widened exhaust outlet.
You can't have a cutout.
You need cat's if car came with them.
You can't attach a device that will increase sound(like a whistle), or make flames appears.
The MVAR states that when tested at inspection station the exhaust shall not exceed 83db for light duty, 88 for gas heavy duty, 91 for motorcycles, and 93 for diesel heavy duty.
"The opinion of an inspector as to whether the engine and exhaust noise is greater than
that made by other vehicles in good condition of comparable size, horsepower, piston
displacement or compression ratio shall determine whether exhaust gases are expelled
with excessive noise."
So, if your car has increased horsepower from OEM, its reasonable that it will be louder.
For anyone curious on the laws, here is a good place to start reading, this is just BC though. Federal standards apply as well.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/t...on-regulations
http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bcl...eside/96318_00
http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/...bc/26_58_multi
CVSE INSPECTION MANUAL:
http://www.vsis.ca/ ($25 for online version, 1 year)