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Traum · 06-13-2019, 09:43 PM

Hello RS. This is Rick here. Sorry I haven't been able to post an update until now.

First of all and more important than anything else, I want to thank Connor, Gabe, and anyone and everyone who has come to, or live stream watched the Police Board meeting today. Thank you for your support.

As you already know, my service and policy complaint to the OPCC / Vancouver Police Board regarding VI's has been dismissed at today's Police Board meeting. This is unfortunate, but at the same time, I'd say it is entirely within my expectation.

The dismissal means that as far as the Vancouver Police Board is concerned, the actions taken as a result of the VPD investigation is satisfactory to the Police Board, and no further action is required. As a quick recap, and only actual action that has resulted from the investigation is a soon-to-be-ready supplemental in-service training that will be delivered (presumably to the traffic unit) by June 30. Personally, I have very little faith that this supplemental in-service training will ease our VI woes. If any different outcome were to be expected, I'd actually think that the supplemental training material will remind the VPD officers to be more careful when issuing VI's, making sure that they would commit fewer careless errors that would create chances for us to catch on and complaint about.

From the OPCC side, I believe I'd still have an opportunity to ask the OPCC for a review on the complaint's dismissal. My expectations to achieve any positive and meaningful outcomes from this is very low. Nevertheless, I would, at a minimum, like to explore this possibility further. If I manage to come up with a number of counter-arguments that I feel would be strong enough rebuttals to the investigation report's findings, I will ask for a review. I believe I have 28 to 30 business days to proceed with this (depending on what day we use to start counting).

I've talked to the secretary lady from the Police Board after the meeting, and according to her, in theory I can request to have "something" with the Police Board on the same topic at a future date. At a minimum, I can request to speak at another Police Board meeting. But since the Board has already previously heard my complaint -- both through the formal documents as well as my 5-min speech from today -- they are unlikely to recommend anything different than the current outcome. My gut feeling on this one is, the secretary lady is being truthful with me here, instead of just trying to brush me off or dissuade me from continuing. Additionally, given the level of response from the board members today, I see little point in continuing with the Vancouver Police Board route unless something drastically new or different has come up.

The single best thing that came out of today's board meeting is that the veteran report, Marcella Bernardo from News 1130 / City News, has picked up on our complaint while she was there to provide media coverage on the meeting. From what I can tell, she threw some tough questions at the VPD chief regarding this topic, and has subsequently produced a well and thoroughly written news article about it:

https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/06...based-on-race/

I am obviously disappointed by today's outcome, but I can't say I am dejected. I'm gonna try to step away from this for a couple of days just to catch my breath, digest the outcome, and re-collect my thoughts.

Thank you for your interest on this matter, and thank you for your support.

06-13-2019, 09:43 PM	#3243
Traum RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Paradise, BC Posts: 8,369 Thanked 8,141 Times in 3,384 Posts Failed 262 Times in 148 Posts	Hello RS. This is Rick here. Sorry I haven't been able to post an update until now. First of all and more important than anything else, I want to thank Connor, Gabe, and anyone and everyone who has come to, or live stream watched the Police Board meeting today. Thank you for your support. As you already know, my service and policy complaint to the OPCC / Vancouver Police Board regarding VI's has been dismissed at today's Police Board meeting. This is unfortunate, but at the same time, I'd say it is entirely within my expectation. The dismissal means that as far as the Vancouver Police Board is concerned, the actions taken as a result of the VPD investigation is satisfactory to the Police Board, and no further action is required. As a quick recap, and only actual action that has resulted from the investigation is a soon-to-be-ready supplemental in-service training that will be delivered (presumably to the traffic unit) by June 30. Personally, I have very little faith that this supplemental in-service training will ease our VI woes. If any different outcome were to be expected, I'd actually think that the supplemental training material will remind the VPD officers to be more careful when issuing VI's, making sure that they would commit fewer careless errors that would create chances for us to catch on and complaint about. From the OPCC side, I believe I'd still have an opportunity to ask the OPCC for a review on the complaint's dismissal. My expectations to achieve any positive and meaningful outcomes from this is very low. Nevertheless, I would, at a minimum, like to explore this possibility further. If I manage to come up with a number of counter-arguments that I feel would be strong enough rebuttals to the investigation report's findings, I will ask for a review. I believe I have 28 to 30 business days to proceed with this (depending on what day we use to start counting). I've talked to the secretary lady from the Police Board after the meeting, and according to her, in theory I can request to have "something" with the Police Board on the same topic at a future date. At a minimum, I can request to speak at another Police Board meeting. But since the Board has already previously heard my complaint -- both through the formal documents as well as my 5-min speech from today -- they are unlikely to recommend anything different than the current outcome. My gut feeling on this one is, the secretary lady is being truthful with me here, instead of just trying to brush me off or dissuade me from continuing. Additionally, given the level of response from the board members today, I see little point in continuing with the Vancouver Police Board route unless something drastically new or different has come up. The single best thing that came out of today's board meeting is that the veteran report, Marcella Bernardo from News 1130 / City News, has picked up on our complaint while she was there to provide media coverage on the meeting. From what I can tell, she threw some tough questions at the VPD chief regarding this topic, and has subsequently produced a well and thoroughly written news article about it: https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/06...based-on-race/ I am obviously disappointed by today's outcome, but I can't say I am dejected. I'm gonna try to step away from this for a couple of days just to catch my breath, digest the outcome, and re-collect my thoughts. Thank you for your interest on this matter, and thank you for your support.