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Originally Posted by Hondaracer

51k for “loaded” Toyota = plastic trim all over, lol Jesus that’s crazy

Yeah the fully loaded tech package tops out at almost $57k

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

45k+ is just where new cars are now, gone are the low 30s for a decent new vehicle

but i would also question the wait too

honestly if you're going 2nd hand just keep the rav4, throw on some comfortable seat covers and put in some dynamat and call it a day

200k on the clock means nothing on those cars, you're not gonna find all power, fuel economy, camping worthiness and reliability in those newer cars (mayybe the subaru if you're okay with CVT)

Yeah the Km's is not that big of a deal, just looking for something a bit more refined (quite a lot of road noise with my Rav4, also sport suspension is a bit rigid) with more comfort amenities (sunroof, heated seats, climate control).

The price in this category is not an issue if the value reflects it. Just that much for a Rav4 is hard to justify for the PHEV.