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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp
OK so who was right? Were you complaining about Burnham's relationships being "thrown in your face" or the gay relationship?
If the latter, what's your dialogue for that relationship being "thrown in your face"? I think it was an amazingly well written relationship, you can really tell how much they love each other, and how that love brought BOTH of them back from the brink. I don't want to get into spoilers here, but I want to know what is on your mind that this relationship has no reason to be there?
Because I have watched a lot of TV over the years, and almost every badly written show has a forced relationship. It's always the best looking youngest woman with the best looking youngest man. Sometimes it rarely works, usually it's just trash.
Hell there are plenty of bad relationships in the Star Trek series. Almost all of them really. Riker + every female who somehow can't resist wanting to fuck him is the most obvious, but Chief O'Brien + Kiko fucking hated each other on DS9. B'Elana Torres being hot for Chakote for some reason, and then marrying Tom Paris only to do nothing but argue every episode. Or Seven's weird attraction to Chakote which was so awkward when they finally got together. Or Neelix's weird creepy possesive jealous relationship with Kes... Trip + T'Pol was just fucking weird. You want to talk about "thrown in your face" that one is the worst of all.
There were some good ones though, I liked the respectful nature of Archer + T'Pol. Picard has had some great romances, but maybe non permanent characters shouldn't count, because it's easier to write these. I liked the Dax + Worf relationship (although Dax is non binary so maybe you thought that was thrown in your face too?). Odo + Kira started off really bad but had some nuance added. (again Odo isn't binary either so maybe that was too in your face as well?). Doctor + Seven was an interesting one too, though mostly one sided. But again, Doctor doesn't have a gender either, and Seven is basically asexual for most of Voyager. The ONE interesting Riker romance was with a transgender character, and the whole episode was about accepting people for their sexuality 
I'm happy to open dialogue if you want. But to me when someone says something so off about one of the few VERY WELL written relationships in Star Trek history, the first conclusion I come to is that they're just homophobic. I am happy to give you a chance to prove me wrong if you want.
Now that I look back, it's interesting how Star Trek has always talked about gender identity and often homosexuality, but until now they had to obscure it. My guess is your reaction is the main reason why, and the fact that homophobes hadn't aged out of watching Star Trek by the 90's and 00's. |
I did not say there's no reason for their relationship.
I'm no where near as knowledgeable on trek/tv relationships as you are, but I'm not making comparisons to other tv show relationships to rank them or say whether they're better or worse. (Although I agree that the Neelix/Kes thing was strange)
Wow, so generous of you to make assumptions, label someone, and then offer them the chance to prove you wrong afterwards. You took one sentence with little to no context, constructed an entire argument for me so that you could argue against it, and then accused me of being homophobic. I also said I didn't like Burnham's acting, does that make me racist too?
I'm not going to turn this thread into an argument with you because I actually enjoy the show, so i'll lay out my thoughts and be done with this.
I don't have any issues with Stamets and Culber being gay. I never even brought up sexual orientation because it doesn't matter. My opinion is the same whether they are straight or aliens with other orientations.
I think that they have had good character and relationship development. To me, it feels like they're thrown in my face a lot because they get a lot more screentime (and therefore, character/relationship development) than the other supporting cast members. We're 30+ episodes in, but other crew members have barely gotten any development.
I really wanted Airiam to have gotten more, but realistically she only got 1 episode before she got airlocked. Nhan also only got that last episode before being booted. What about Rhys or Bryce? Could we not see more development of the Detmer/Owosekun friendship? No one's saying get rid of Stamets/Culber.
There was that scene recently where Stamets climbs into the tube to make repairs while injured/recovering. Culber arrives and gives him shit (which was hilarious). But here's the thing, Reno had to guide Stamets on the coms, which meant they could have literally gotten anyone else to climb up there. It wasn't like it had to be Stamets.
Conclusion: I see them more than other supporting members. I want to see more of other character/relationship developments too, but apparently this makes me a bigot.
Not everything has to be an argument. Just because people have different opinions than you doesn't make them wrong, and it certainly doesn't give you the right to label them.