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Originally Posted by bobbinka
I did not say there's no reason for their relationship.
I'm no where near as knowledgeable on trek/tv relationships as you are, but I'm not making comparisons to other tv show relationships to rank them or say whether they're better or worse. (Although I agree that the Neelix/Kes thing was strange)
Wow, so generous of you to make assumptions, label someone, and then offer them the chance to prove you wrong afterwards. You took one sentence with little to no context, constructed an entire argument for me so that you could argue against it, and then accused me of being homophobic. I also said I didn't like Burnham's acting, does that make me racist too?
I'm not going to turn this thread into an argument with you because I actually enjoy the show, so i'll lay out my thoughts and be done with this.
I don't have any issues with Stamets and Culber being gay. I never even brought up sexual orientation because it doesn't matter. My opinion is the same whether they are straight or aliens with other orientations.
I think that they have had good character and relationship development. To me, it feels like they're thrown in my face a lot because they get a lot more screentime (and therefore, character/relationship development) than the other supporting cast members. We're 30+ episodes in, but other crew members have barely gotten any development.
I really wanted Airiam to have gotten more, but realistically she only got 1 episode before she got airlocked. Nhan also only got that last episode before being booted. What about Rhys or Bryce? Could we not see more development of the Detmer/Owosekun friendship? No one's saying get rid of Stamets/Culber.
There was that scene recently where Stamets climbs into the tube to make repairs while injured/recovering. Culber arrives and gives him shit (which was hilarious). But here's the thing, Reno had to guide Stamets on the coms, which meant they could have literally gotten anyone else to climb up there. It wasn't like it had to be Stamets.
Conclusion: I see them more than other supporting members. I want to see more of other character/relationship developments too, but apparently this makes me a bigot.
Not everything has to be an argument. Just because people have different opinions than you doesn't make them wrong, and it certainly doesn't give you the right to label them.
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The reason I came to the conclusion I did is that you used the term "relationship thrown in your face", a term which has been used to describe what bigots deem to be "unnecessarily gay characters" on TV for decades. It's such a weird phrase to describe two main characters who got major plotlines throughout the entire series. Like your issue is the relationship they have, not the characters themselves?
If you said you don't like Stamets or whatever, and think he's a way too full of himself because he controls the spore drive, sure, I can see that (which BTW is a character flaw written which he is starting to get over as his character develops, another sign of the great writing of this show). But just the way you wrote it, it was so familiar if you see what certain people talk about with TV all the time, it just led me to that conclusion.
I hope you can see that I was not calling you out for an opinion I disagree with. I don't care if you like Stamets or Culber or Tilly or Burnham or Joann or whoever else. I obviously disagree on Stamets and Culber, but I wouldn't care enough to argue about it. And no, it doesn't make you a bigot to not like those
characters. It doesn't make you a "racist" to not like a black
actor.
Come on. But you specified that it was the
relationship that was "thrown in your face" not the characters, storylines, or anything else. You complained about Burnham's acting, not the character, and that's fine too.
That's the conclusion I made based on your phrasing. You specified that the
relationship is "being thrown in your face"
I don't know you personally, so I can't tell if you're backtracking or whatever. I assumed one way, and hope I was wrong. But what you are saying is 100% identical to what a bigot would say. That's all I'm saying.
I hope you can enjoy the rest of the show
