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Old 01-14-2021, 10:56 AM   #4317
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Originally Posted by Great68 View Post
So many people like you misunderstand the first amendment, or Canada's freedom of expression laws.

These rights protects free speech from censorship or criminal prosecution by the government.

They have absolutely no influence over private platforms.
Nor do they protect social fallout/consequences over things one might say.
IE: If you say you love Nazi's and you lose your job, that's your own fault.
As I have said, they have no legal responsibility to provide a platform for the free flowing of legitimate information, but as media, they have a moral and ethic responsibility to enable that free speech and free flow of newsworthy information, and both traditional and online media have massively failed here during the election.

Do you not have a problem with that?

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Originally Posted by Hakkaboy View Post
So the only reason why you like Trump is because you think he's somehow anti-China, and you're willing to look past all of his negatives because of this one singular thing. If he really was "tough on China", as you think he is, then he would've made a trade embargo instead of a useless trade war.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-win-trade-war

What exactly do you have against "Communist China" that would blind you so much? And how does Communist China actually affect you, personally.
Trump is a lot of bad news, but he isn't only bad news. Are you telling me that Biden / Harris is all good news and zero bad news? Of course that is not it.

Prior to Trump, if you think the US can all of a sudden cut off all trade ties or dealings with China, you would be absolutely out of your mind. Chimerica is a term because it succinctly describes how intertwined US and China has been, esp in terms of their economies.

Trump's US-China trade war is anything but useless. Certainly it is hurting the US economy a bit in the short term, but if the policies are to be kept up, China's competitiveness at the international level, and especially against US, would completely evaporate. Case in point is the tech sector. The semiconductor ban on China right now is wiping out China's tech sector. In short, Trump's China policies is a step-by-step plan to dramatically reduce ties with and dependence on China, and replace those ties and dependences with other more friendly countries (such as Vietnam, India, etc.)

I cannot describe in a few sentences how severe the Communist China threat is to the world. I'm sure I have said it before, but I'll say it again -- Communist China is a bully that selectively plays by the (international) rules only when it stands to benefit from it. It is a sophisticated IP thief. It is an ethnic minority oppressor. It is a master at infiltration and subversion, and esp under Xi, its global ambitions represents a major threat to the world. But don't just take my word for it, read it for yourself from Pompeo's State Department here as a summary of sorts. The report is quite recent.

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upl...llenge-508.pdf

and I would tell you, even a document like this is only scratching the surface on all the issues it described.

It is not me that is blinded by the threat that Communist China represents. Instead, there are far too many people in the world -- including many leaders in government positions -- who are massively underestimating the Communist China threat. Bringing the issue back to Trump vs Biden, I would say Biden's direction in dealing with China (as he has publically described in super vague terms) does not work.

To answer your question, I have a soft spot for Hong Kong, and the atrocities that the CCP has done to wreck the city will never be forgiven. But that is not the only reason I am against China. Pay some attention to world and asia news, and you will see how much of a villain China is at the world stage.

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